Oldie but goldie.

Have you seen this little video?Quite small for that kind of big point it makes,remarkable I can say.If you haven't take a look and comment below your opinion about this system and society as it is in your country focusing on the point that the video makes.If you have seen it already tell your opinion also same way.



Please respect:
1)Don't flame and argue like a 5yo,use valid arguements and explain why you believe and support your ideas.
2)Be serious,I know you can do it in at least one thread.
3)Don't make a huge post with no paragraphs,make it easier and more understandable for someone to read.

I post this because I want to see other cultures,personalities,societies and how each one sees this as a problem or a solution and why to compare them with other.Should be fun.

Sometimes it feels easier to approach older ppl than younger ones in my country, just because of the things shown in this clip. You ask some dude something, he takes his red eyes from his phone and he is fixing you like you are coming from an alien planet. I guess this is the reality of 2017, but idk what to say about it, this is the technology of today, praised be the science!, but this is changing our society like wow, I guess ppl who won't get accustomed will be the alienated ones, like in all the eras and historical periods. And there's no guide to this, it's just you, your family and friends and the techonology, we are thrown from the arms of one inovation in the arms of another one and so on and so forth. Get accustomed with this and rule! Be the boss of it, smartphones and applications, social networks etc. and you will be remembered as a man of your time. Or say no to all and live like in 1900, or say no to it partially, like I do, while I am trying as often as I can to get out in the reality even if most of the times it's more boring than the flashy screens.

Cheers

Some ppl been overdramatising everything since forever

This is possibly one of the most moronic posts ive seen on this forum, and the op and that destroyer guy are edgiest people on the planet.
this shit is so fucking edgy it will attract so many #omgborninthewronggeneratio or #90musicarethebest or #imaneofacistsdumbass kids that still haven't reached puberty here.

How dumb do you have to be not to realize just how edgy and over exaggerated this dumb video is? The creator is just yet another old asshole that can't accept change, and that video is based off RARE occasions where autists and dumbasses act like shit. Tell me one time where people didn't try and prevent someone from jumping? Give me one example of the things that happened above. Sure, some will have examples, but compare it to the majority and you'll see, you utter edgecunt.
Yet again, instead of being a hypocrite edgelord on the internet. Why not do as your actions says, and get rid of your cellphone and all technology and go back to living in a cave? Cellphones are used regularly because they are IMPORTANT . Accept change you retards.

And the destroyer, your case is just lol. You're the worst #borninthewronggeneration kid i've ever seen, and i've seen a lot, mate. Go back to live in a cave if you can't accept it, the fact that you're here arguing on this exact same forum says a lot about you, edgecunt. Not only that, but your gypsy country has some of the worst elderly, and it's a known fact that these retarded oldfags are what's holding the country back, since they can't accept change.

Do you not understand? The older generation also had to face the same reaction from what we face from these edgelords that praise older cultures because they think the nazi symbol looks cool.

Without technology we would be doomed. Accept it or BTFO.

I just read a book called into the wild and the dude reminds me of the main character.

Geschrieben von Guest, 05.03.2017 at 17:32

Big post.

Ok big post,what to begin with.

''This is possibly one of the most moronic posts ive seen on this forum, and the op and that destroyer guy are edgiest people on the planet.
this shit is so fucking edgy it will attract so many #omgborninthewronggeneratio or #90musicarethebest or #imaneofacistsdumbass kids that still haven't reached puberty here.''
-I guess someone won't respect anything.I can see why you say this but you do have to understand some things,you probably are one of those guys that if you tell them to leave their phone down and talk or turn off the pc for a while they will scream at you like they have been taken over by the devil himself.Too much anger inside you and you want to show it but you know why is that?Because you are closed to your own Goofy world with your dumb reasoning and explaining where you swear and act like a girl on her period,which in a few words means you are one of those people shown in the video.

''How dumb do you have to be not to realize just how edgy and over exaggerated this dumb video is? The creator is just yet another old asshole that can't accept change, and that video is based off RARE occasions where autists and dumbasses act like shit. Tell me one time where people didn't try and prevent someone from jumping? Give me one example of the things that happened above. Sure, some will have examples, but compare it to the majority and you'll see, you utter edgecunt.
Yet again, instead of being a hypocrite edgelord on the internet. Why not do as your actions says, and get rid of your cellphone and all technology and go back to living in a cave? Cellphones are used regularly because they are IMPORTANT . Accept change you retards.''
-Once again you swear like there is no tommorow and have your own little opinion which I can see why you have it and with a bit of reasoning I can change it.How dumb can you be for not realising its not for all the society but shows a big part of it and sometimes most of it.In my country by the way this happens everyday and everyhour,couples-friends-families go out and use their phones to message-play-listen to music-write or anything else and ignore completely the whole moment.I can tell you many times where people just video moments like these and even worse-fights-kills-robberies and many more-how I know that?Why do you think there are videos in youtube that show scenes like those?Because someone video taped them.Get it?
The video isn't about leaving technology and living without it you ignorant noob.Of course we need technology so please watch the video again and then make a better post about this.

''And the destroyer, your case is just lol. You're the worst #borninthewronggeneration kid i've ever seen, and i've seen a lot, mate. Go back to live in a cave if you can't accept it, the fact that you're here arguing on this exact same forum says a lot about you, edgecunt. Not only that, but your gypsy country has some of the worst elderly, and it's a known fact that these retarded oldfags are what's holding the country back, since they can't accept change.''
-That's a lot of hate,I bet you haven't even visited Romania to have such an opinion for its elders and people.You should respect each ones words if you know nothing about what they are talking about.At least he has the balls and doesn't hide behind his finger like you.This whole post of yours shows fully your intentions with it and any normal person could find what those are.Known fact.....I bet again you haven't even seen a research on this kind of theme have you?

''Do you not understand? The older generation also had to face the same reaction from what we face from these edgelords that praise older cultures because they think the nazi symbol looks cool.

Without technology we would be doomed. Accept it or BTFO.''
-Once again yeah technology is a lot important,no one said it isn't.Older people judge these kind of technology just because they see it takes people apart and breaks friendships,ruin a good walk,a good conversation and much more which you obviously can't see because you stuck in Goofy's world and your own imagination.

Read our comments again,watch the video again,show your real self and then come back to post again.

Personally I think this is a very big issue. There's a tendency to relativise this with meme pictures like the one with a 1930's train full of people reading newspapers, comparing them to today's trains which are much the same, only that newspapers were replaced by phones.
There's a lot wrong with these kind of analogies, but I don't want to get into that now.
I would rather like to focus on what I think is the underlying dynamic that fires this detrimental development, as I've often sat down to try and nail it.
The picture I got so far is that these kind of conditions are a necessary consequence of a capitalist system gone loose. Now, before I go into that, I want to stress that I'm by no means an ardent anti-capitalist. You can do things the right way and then you can do them the wrong way.

The society you see there and we have today is largely formed by the needs of the economy in a capitalist system. There are many reasons to this, some if which are for example our need for an ever increasing GDP to cover our debts and their interest. Corporate structures that are build around ever increasing profits. Or more personal: greed, lust for ever more money.
All this and more essentially boils down to one rationale: we need to sell more products. Turnover more goods. So, how do you sell more goods?
You have to appeal to the largest amount of people and as you do that, you reduce them to the lowest common denominator.

Let's say you are in the movie business. You want to make a lot of money with the next flick you produce. Are you going to choose a French art house movie, that is full of philosophical questioning, that is slow and demands you to engage the content in a critical way? People could learn a lot from it, walk out of the cinema questioning life and their part in society, but it's a lot to swallow and not necessarily fun.
Or will you pick a Transformers-style movie?
Extremely fast paced, full of action and explosions- that demands no thinking at all, that is essentially just a ride with a rollercoaster and leaves you with as much of an impression.
Which one will sell more?

Every single product we consume works this way. Every single item, programme, app, food, music and so on has been watered down, fool-proofed and on top of that is designed to addict. We are reduced to our lowest common denominator by the needs of economy, which's products appeal to our animal instincts and exploit the worst in us in order to sell more. The result of which are zombie-like people as you see them in the video above, who by nature of their daily consumer habits are never required to think, question, process and reflect and as that never develop the capacity to do so. It just doesn't fit into our lifestyle and hence they will never own it, they will never be self-contained, critically thinking human beings.

Our art reflects this very well. Art is very much a testimony to the ideals and virtues of the society it is produced by. Walk into the museum of contemporary art of your city and what will you see? A lot of shapes with no edges, a lot of empty images without forms. Everything is so open to interpretation that it might as well be nothing at all.
I've recently read a book about my home, Berlin and it's surrounding Brandenburg, in which Frederick William IV is quoted talking about art as follows:
"It's task is the refinement of mankind. A sacred means to the sacred end of awakening a sense of beauty in man, to adjust his inclinations towards worthy and noble aims."
Think Oath of the Horatii, School of Athenes, etc. This is art set to inspire a society to be the best it can be and we've reaped our modern freedoms from it.
Unfortunately every sense of beauty has been pushed out of our lives. Architecture is afflicted by this too. We used to build beautiful and engaging, today we build impersonal blocks of concrete and glass.

Our society has developed in a way that alienates individuals from each other and most of it comes down to technology that was designed to sell itself. People aren't defined by their character, virtues and deeds, but by the products they consume and the way they represent themselves in social media. All of this fits into a society that is build around consumerism as a way to fire profits in the capitalist economy.
I'm making the case that this is necessarily by design, as when there's no ideals anymore, no sense for the beautiful and real in life, no higher and sacred goals to strife for in society, no pleasure in community- then you can sell shit to people, because theres no such thing as "not good enough' anymore.

I didnt watch the video yet..but if it sucks i'll make everybody piss their pants in this thread with my "kingjim talking no-jutsu"

Geschrieben von learster, 05.03.2017 at 18:39

Our art reflects this very well. Art is very much a testimony to the ideals and virtues of the society it is produced by. Walk into the museum of contemporary art of your city and what will you see? A lot of shapes with no edges, a lot of empty images without forms. Everything is so open to interpretation that it might as well be nothing at all.
I've recently read a book about my home, Berlin and it's surrounding Brandenburg, in which Frederick William IV is quoted talking about art as follows:
"It's task is the refinement of mankind. A sacred means to the sacred end of awakening a sense of beauty in man, to adjust his inclinations towards worthy and noble aims."
Think Oath of the Horatii, School of Athenes, etc. This is art set to inspire a society to be the best it can be and we've reaped our modern freedoms from it.
Unfortunately every sense of beauty has been pushed out of our lives. Architecture is afflicted by this too. We used to build beautiful and engaging, today we build impersonal blocks of concrete and glass.

You've covered a wide palette of aspects, and I got time only to comment on art, even though I am no art historian.
Art as a reflection of society. Good point.
And I was thinking I was the only one praising the Hellenistic, Renaissance, Neoclassical, Realism Art. Ich liebe Klassiche Kunst. But what I've noticed is that after Impressionism things went downhill. I mean, wow, I admired and still admire Impressionism, the spot on composition, the freshness of the colors, how can't you love it? But then we got Fauvism, Expressionism (here things are pretty worse) and Cubism (this is the final blow to the art, together with Dada and Pop-Art they are the destroyers). You can't not relate Cubism with the Great War and with the horrors of it and I think people started to get lost in that period of time, something happened after expressionism, they become more and more bold and radical. And what to break? What was standing since millennia like a pillar of beauty and inspiration for life? Classical concepts. The fortress of classicism was sieged harder than Massada or Tyre in Antiquity. Blows from all over and in the end it crumbled. Futurism, Abstract Art, Dada, Precisionism, Surrealism, Art Deco, Pop Art (ta-daaam, here the hammer struck hard, after the Dada craziness, Pop-Art just levelled art, just look at Warhol's ouvres), Photorealism and Conceptual and Instalation Art. With Surrealism and Photorealism we can observe a desire towards realism, but in the first case there is a weird, distorded, but very accurate drawn reality, while in the second case the reality it's at it fittest, we are already accustomed with the horrors of the wars and the uncertainty of the Cold War, ofc, we can paint even the garbage bins and homeless people on the streets, this is nothing, it will raise awarness concering these topics!

I've been meditating upon this topic in the last years and I am confident and I hope, me and a bunch of nostalgic dreamers, that we will go back (and you guys will probably call me a Conservative with this) to the classical art. Ofc, we go back to it all the time, we watch Laocoon, the Sistine Chapel, Napeoleon at Saint-Bernard Pass and we feel the shivers all over our body, like how could these men conceive something so lasting, so beautiful, sooo inspiring across the millennia and centuries?
I guess the world is trying to find a new identity, after millennia of techological stagnation now everything boomed, we are on the big wave heading towards the Better, the Faster, the Improved and we need to find the artistic expression of this. How? I find this a task equally heavy with what Atlas had to carry. And in the same time, how to go back to Classicism if we don't love the Illyad, Oddyssey, Aeneid anymore? We don't love anymore Helen and Achilles, Ullysses and Penelope, Aeneas and Dido, the majority don't even know who these were. The artists of Renaissance, even Mannerism and Baroque (in music too!, we need to remember the eternal classical music), Neoclassicism etc. were inspired and guided by these stories, which, you may say I speak too grandoise, but are among the greatest stories of mankind, the stories which inspired hundreds and hundreds of generations, stories told around the fire with immortal characters and the gods in the background watching over them with envy or symphaty. Oh, I yearn that these stories are remembered. They are hidden in this coffer of great stories just waiting to be discovered and to fill your life with heroism, beauty and compassion. We will never be able to go back if we don't remember these stories. But one of my biggest hopes regarding this world is that we will come back to the ideal of beauty of Classicism as soon as possible!

How can the world remember of Troy after 2 world wars, cold war and communism? Our memory waned, we only remember that we have to eat and consume media. I am devoted customer of Kaufland, Lidl and Metro and of the net and cable providers. One of the urges I feel everyday is to consume, to consume, to consume and to consume. Buy this, buy that, I need to get that too, oh w8, I am out of money, ok, I go work, get the cash and do everything all over again. We lost touch with the nature. We are represented in one way on insta or fb, but the reality is different. I feel the urge to cry while writing these words, I am not afraid of change, I am just afraid that we won't find that ~new artistic expression~ that has become like the Holy Grail and that we will become Consuming Puppets. What can I do? Read more books, try not to consume so much media, try not to be such a great customer of the hypermarkets (buy from peasants and grocery stores too) and in the end, tell to more people of the great artistic beauty we once had and we now lost (and trying to convince them to pass over Michelangelo and daVinci cliches and immerse themselves into the matter).

I will leave these here, just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSAd3NpDi6Q&ab_channel=ClassicalMusicOnly

The Dying Gaul


Ghiberti, The Gates of Paradise (these scenes regard the Bible, and those are great stories too, but I won't go deeper regarding those in this thread)


There is hope.

Warmly

Geschrieben von Guest, 05.03.2017 at 17:32

This is possibly one of the most moronic posts ive seen on this forum, and the op and that destroyer guy are edgiest people on the planet.
this shit is so fucking edgy it will attract so many #omgborninthewronggeneratio or #90musicarethebest or #imaneofacistsdumbass kids that still haven't reached puberty here.

>edgy
>has name fuck india and uses alt...
k...

Nice wall posts tldr dont care

Well I wouldn't know I'm constantly either in my house or in one of my friends or somewhere where jerking off on your cell phone is not allowed anyway

Alright, the video sucks..everybody piss their pants now

Geschrieben von learster, 05.03.2017 at 18:39

i beg to differ, the earliest capitalistic states were art centers of their time (florence/n. ita.) and capitalism of the last 100 years has brought us art unseen before. unfortunalty, modern art indeed is kinda shit. like it literally looks like shit. but there are forms of art that have reached levels unprecedented before. quite a lot of art forms have stayed at continous levels, but video games have reached an incredible level. go play witcher or Bioshock. those are pieces of art, incredibly beautiful and moving.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 07.03.2017 at 00:16

Geschrieben von learster, 05.03.2017 at 18:39

i beg to differ, the earliest capitalistic states were art centers of their time (florence/n. ita.) and capitalism of the last 100 years has brought us art unseen before. unfortunalty, modern art indeed is kinda shit. like it literally looks like shit. but there are forms of art that have reached levels unprecedented before. quite a lot of art forms have stayed at continous levels, but video games have reached an incredible level. go play witcher or Bioshock. those are pieces of art, incredibly beautiful and moving.

No need to disregard my point so quickly, what you write fits nearly into it. Most of our profound cultural achievements were created within the context of a high culture that was practiced by the nobility of Europe. In proto-capitalist Europe that was were the money was and henceforth all the effort went towards selling to a numerically tiny clientel which was extremely knowledgeable, of refined taste and by and large homogenous.
Part of this high culture was the synergy between patrons of the arts and artists, which enabled countless of masters to focus entirely on their work living off the expenses of the nobility.

Since then nobility and it's high culture has all but disappeared, replaced by a formerly peasant millionaire class to which money is not a means but an end and a mass of working people that can be successfully milked for their money with entertainment. Our cultural produce reflects that shift towards a mass audience.
I haven't played any of the games you mention, so you tell me, do they fit what I've quoted Fritz Willy said? I don't think I've played a single game that does. Games are just that- games. Good to pass the time in a fun way. I'm not sure what value they add to society, but I'm willing to listen.

Geschrieben von learster, 07.03.2017 at 05:18

"It's task is the refinement of mankind. A sacred means to the sacred end of awakening a sense of beauty in man, to adjust his inclinations towards worthy and noble aims."

ok, i havent played witcher (its beautiful and moving, but also time consuming) but i have played bioshock (like 10-20 hours playtime/game) and let me tell you, its quite eye opening.
i'll focus on bioshock one here, but 2 and infinite are very well made too.

Bioshock has a huge amount of references ranging from philosophy and Biology to popculture and history. but the main one that stood out for me, is one to Ayn Rands "Atlas shrugged". the city you're in is called rapture, a libertarian dream in the style of ayn rands philosophy. the inhabitants did experiments with gene shifting medication. in short, Rapture is a dystopian version of Ayn Rands Utopia.

the game also employs an incredible story, involving some of the best plot twists i've ever seen. i dont want to spoil it for you, but i'd say you should try it out. its like 5 bucks for 1 and 2 and it takes like 20 hours to play, wich are gonna be full of fun.

(post-posting-of-post-addition):
obviously you dont have an elite culture anymore and some art produced will be made for the lower classes who might enjoy art of less class than you would. on the other hand, smart people still exist and good books are still being written, great music is still being played and good movies are still being made. they just arent all culture anymore. the average might have gone down, but the good art has become (maybe) more, because there are more smart people.

1. No iphone
2. No facebook

I have Sony Ericson W880i and Nokia 200 something since recently because Sony got mic broken (have it since 2006). Only using computer to play games like Afterwind, World of Tanks and NationStates, and watching movies but only since recently because it saves alot of time than plugging DVD and searching for CD around the house, its faster to plug computer to big screen and watch from sofa.

Never had 'social media' account and have all my friends in mobile phone listing, thus i preserve my real life and still be able to socialize. Motto like 'if you're not in social media - you don't exist is a bullshit for spoiled little children.

Social media is only good to find old friends, thus you have to be old and possibly from Eastern Europe where there were wars and collapse in the last 20 years so many people got killed, emigrated, god kidnapped, lost track in that era, old friends can meet again, families reunite, but of course you have to create account for that which mean 'you're online, addicted' and can't claim you are not using it, even though you log in every few months just to check inbox.

I don't see logical explanation for young kid to use social media and 'befriend' his real life friend there. He is already meeting him in school, afterschool, at evening, in park, at footbal match they planned and so on, why having him in phone book AND social media account as well, doesn't make sense. If you know your friend from real life, that mean he is probably from your local community, so internet and social media is better to use for people you want to find(old friends) and meet new ones.