Turkish tanks roll into northern Syria

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 24.08.2016 at 13:39

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 24.08.2016 at 13:32

at least we don't go to germany to kill people

Wow why are you using propaganda, no one trust you, you still don't use toilet paper what are you doing in Europe you uncivilized barbarian?

Stop joining terrorists and rape Germans, later you will cry when they occupy you to rid the land of the terrorists.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bosnia-isis-recruitment-hotbed-2015-12

your talking makes no sense from one topic to another.
Did isis recruited some people from Bosnia ? Yes, arround 100
Did Bosnian police raided that village ? Yes
Are people who preached wahabbism arrested and convicted and three mesjids closed ? Yes
Who went to Syria ? Naive people who were doing bad things and were below line of poverty who wanted easy way to remove their sins.

Do I need to get people from Russia who went to Syria ?
Do I need to get ortodox christians from Bosnia who went in Ukraine ? Under Bosnian law going to foregin places to fight in a war is forbidden.

Again, you don't have anything to deny me so you move from one topic to another, but it's okay, you are just another russian bot who writes as it was told to him.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 24.08.2016 at 16:20

I have a feeling China will be the one to end the conflict in the Middle East.

I disagree. China tends to play long game when it comes to these things. While they have incentive to get involved in Syria for oil (they did have facilities in government controlled areas but have recently lost them), I don't see them ferrying troops, weapons, supplies, etc. over. They are much more concerned with the South China Sea. Furthermore, with changes coming to the politburo and other government post, Xi is looking to cement his hold. His faction does not have complete control although it looks like he will be able to amass more support during the changes coming, The issue with these kinds of governments with illiberal democratic procedures or lack of transparency is much of the government work is done behind closed doors so we can only really speculate.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 24.08.2016 at 16:20

I have a feeling China will be the one to end the conflict in the Middle East.

-ISIS have 200,000 troops

-Peshmerga 300,000
-Syrian Army 200,000
-Syrian rebels 100,000
-Iraqi Army 200,000
-Popular Mobilization Force 100,000
-Total 900,000

Now Russia joined with 20 planes to bomb terrorist facilities so they don't spread, but still not enough to defeat them. I expect China will send 500,000 troops in few years and end it, by that time both sides will be exhausted. Point is; when China arrive, they won't leave, and they won't make same mistakes like Americans 10 years ago. They will create bases, factories, power stations, fund MidEast states, supply their militaries. They'll earn Arab support and they will probably make a better deal for Saudi Arabia than America could ever offer thus completing the domination of West Asia.

China is the next superpower, and for the sake of balance i would offer peace and alliance between Russia and America but we all know Americans would not even take in consideration such thing because of their arrogance and feeling of exceptionality. They still believe there is a chance for them to rule the world.

We have WW3 in middleeast, Usa,Russia,UK ... and another strong country picked middleeast for Ww3 it is like cold war but i think it is will be more big country is will try new weapon and it is war is making great income for usa, + u are right china is new superpower probably and china will help russia in middleeast.
I think russia will press on turkey if turkey start attack on kurds, but turkey is for now only 'fake attacking on İSİS' it is fake cuz İsis and turkey is ally.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 24.08.2016 at 16:20

I have a feeling China will be the one to end the conflict in the Middle East.

-ISIS have 200,000 troops

-Peshmerga 300,000
-Syrian Army 200,000
-Syrian rebels 100,000
-Iraqi Army 200,000
-Popular Mobilization Force 100,000
-Total 900,000

Now Russia joined with 20 planes to bomb terrorist facilities so they don't spread, but still not enough to defeat them. I expect China will send 500,000 troops in few years and end it, by that time both sides will be exhausted. Point is; when China arrive, they won't leave, and they won't make same mistakes like Americans 10 years ago. They will create bases, factories, power stations, fund MidEast states, supply their militaries. They'll earn Arab support and they will probably make a better deal for Saudi Arabia than America could ever offer thus completing the domination of West Asia.

China is the next superpower, and for the sake of balance i would offer peace and alliance between Russia and America but we all know Americans would not even take in consideration such thing because of their arrogance and feeling of exceptionality. They still believe there is a chance for them to rule the world.

yeah bitch i agree you on this and i hope it will happen soon.

Geschrieben von Hi_I_am_Eren, 24.08.2016 at 16:45

İ think Turkey is have cooperation with İSİS cuz İSİS left in land soo, we have too ask why he let Turkey take him İsis let cuz both is ally

Kurdo-english....
why do these kurds blame turkey on everthing?
I think they are going to blame Turkey soon becouse of PKK attacks.

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 24.08.2016 at 17:31

your talking makes no sense from one topic to another.
Did isis recruited some people from Bosnia ? Yes, arround 100
Did Bosnian police raided that village ? Yes
Are people who preached wahabbism arrested and convicted and three mesjids closed ? Yes
Who went to Syria ? Naive people who were doing bad things and were below line of poverty who wanted easy way to remove their sins.

Do I need to get people from Russia who went to Syria ?
Do I need to get ortodox christians from Bosnia who went in Ukraine ? Under Bosnian law going to foregin places to fight in a war is forbidden.

Again, you don't have anything to deny me so you move from one topic to another, but it's okay, you are just another russian bot who writes as it was told to him.

Lmao you openly have ISIS recruiting centers and you support the terrorists, you can stop with your propaganda now. Everyone already know your kind and your lies.

Geschrieben von Pheonixking929, 24.08.2016 at 18:05

I disagree. China tends to play long game when it comes to these things. While they have incentive to get involved in Syria for oil (they did have facilities in government controlled areas but have recently lost them), I don't see them ferrying troops, weapons, supplies, etc. over. They are much more concerned with the South China Sea. Furthermore, with changes coming to the politburo and other government post, Xi is looking to cement his hold. His faction does not have complete control although it looks like he will be able to amass more support during the changes coming, The issue with these kinds of governments with illiberal democratic procedures or lack of transparency is much of the government work is done behind closed doors so we can only really speculate.

That's why i said they won't make same mistake as America 10 years ago: China can send 500,000 troops, defeat ISIS and then swiftly withdraw, leaving only military instructors and guards to train Arab militiaries to defend against new potential terrorists. Invasion and war can last 6 months instead 10 years. Also they will use Communist techniques to restore order and peace in MidEast; communicating with the local population, rewarding for spying and giving information about terrorist whereabouts which will force terrorists to hide in the deserts and mountains away from the villages and cities as if they show up townfolks will report them.

Also, if they build little infrastructure, power stations and industry they will earn local support and thus prolong their stay in the region. That will cost few million dollars which mean China can afford.

Communist Party of China evolved since Mao and now they don't have leaders and crisis like other communist parties have or had. Now they are more about planning than choosing leaders so they don't have a need to 'cement hold' 'create factions' and interest groups, because they all have same goal but different means to achieve it; that's why they plan and vote. The worse situation is when you have many factions each have different goal, then you're screwed.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 25.08.2016 at 07:43

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 24.08.2016 at 17:31

your talking makes no sense from one topic to another.
Did isis recruited some people from Bosnia ? Yes, arround 100
Did Bosnian police raided that village ? Yes
Are people who preached wahabbism arrested and convicted and three mesjids closed ? Yes
Who went to Syria ? Naive people who were doing bad things and were below line of poverty who wanted easy way to remove their sins.

Do I need to get people from Russia who went to Syria ?
Do I need to get ortodox christians from Bosnia who went in Ukraine ? Under Bosnian law going to foregin places to fight in a war is forbidden.

Again, you don't have anything to deny me so you move from one topic to another, but it's okay, you are just another russian bot who writes as it was told to him.

Lmao you openly have ISIS recruiting centers and you support the terrorists, you can stop with your propaganda now. Everyone already know your kind and your lies.

you can repeat lie 100 times, 101th time it won't become a truth, but just lie which is repeated enough.

http://www.avaz.ba/clanak/248553/paradzemati-ce-biti-prisilno-zatvoreni-do-jeseni?url=clanak/248553/paradzemati-ce-biti-prisilno-zatvoreni-do-jeseni

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 05:32

It isn't a lie, it is well known historic fact by now that Bosnia is artificial product of Western great powers to faciliate terrorism in the Western world so they can achieve certain goals using Western populace fears. They had problem creating Bosnia because it was half christian which made it harder to bring terrorists and start recruiting local ones, but it did the purpose. Now faciliated by Arab immigrants to Europe they amplify European fears so they can do things like sell more weapons at astronomical prices while europeans believe that weapon will protect them.

Even ISIS spoked language is Serbian (by muslims from Bosnia) after official Arabic simply from the fact there are many Bosnian Muslims in ISIS ranks

It is kind of history repeating, because last time Turkish Empire tried to spread islam, they used terror to achieve it, and Europe did nothing, because Great Power elites needed Turkish Empire and their terror so they can manipulate populations through fear and achieve goals. If Europe wanted, they could organize a real crusade and expell the Turks from Europe if they wanted, with easy. Just like NATO can do now, but won't for 2 years.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 26.08.2016 at 08:46

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 05:32

It isn't a lie, it is well known historic fact by now that Bosnia is artificial product of Western great powers to faciliate terrorism in the Western world so they can achieve certain goals using Western populace fears. They had problem creating Bosnia because it was half christian which made it harder to bring terrorists and start recruiting local ones, but it did the purpose. Now faciliated by Arab immigrants to Europe they amplify European fears so they can do things like sell more weapons at astronomical prices while europeans believe that weapon will protect them.

Even ISIS spoked language is Serbian (by muslims from Bosnia) after official Arabic simply from the fact there are many Bosnian Muslims in ISIS ranks

It is kind of history repeating, because last time Turkish Empire tried to spread islam, they used terror to achieve it, and Europe did nothing, because Great Power elites needed Turkish Empire and their terror so they can manipulate populations through fear and achieve goals. If Europe wanted, they could organize a real crusade and expell the Turks from Europe if they wanted, with easy. Just like NATO can do now, but won't for 2 years.

I just wrote whole bunch a lot and then it all crashed, thank you amok.

So in short.
Operation you ssed is operation "miracle" when Bosnian mujahedins tried to help people who are escaping Srebenica genocide.
El mujahid was all foregin unit that came across croatia, obviously muslim country, about doing purpose we can compare number of religious objects that stayed "whole" under Bosnian govt. control and under serb control, 0 mosques stayed whole under serb control. Almost all churches under Bosnian govt stayed whole, but many, many were damaged by shelling.

I alredy proved you 100 Bosniaks in ISIS so no point claiming their offical language is Bosnian ( which is also native tongue of all Bosniaks, not serbian as you would like, but again, that is just a tiny lie in sea of them you already said)

Ever heard of Ahdnama.
You know when otoman sultan gave rights to bosnian christians to freely pracitce and preach their religion as long as they were loyal and paid taxes ?

btw. Unit you are refering had 300-1500 people, number not sure.

ps. USA is going to stay number one for next 50 years, if you can't see that, you aren't as good in geopolitics as you would like others to think that

PPS.

I am not writing this because of tito, he will just ignore and move to something else trying to insult me, I am writing this because people may buy into shit this russian bot says

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 10:06

ps. USA is going to stay number one for next 50 years, if you can't see that, you aren't as good in geopolitics as you would like others to think that

For you, i am expert in everything, no offence.

I have nothing against USA be numero uno in economy because i need their wealth and trade just like any other normal sane person need, even Communist China which is ideologically on the other side of the specter, trade with USA. But you saying 'USA will be number one' without telling where is vague term. Just become some country have the LARGEST economy doesn't mean it is the number one HEALTHY economy or being number one in LARGEST military doesn't mean being the STRONGEST, or being number one in healthcare spending doesn't mean EFFICIENT healthcare.

Therefore, we can guess you like USA because of the spending, which is only one indicator and not end-result.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also, the current instability in the World is because new powers are emerging and creating a risk for US hegemony to end. One side is pushing up, the other side is pushing them down so it can remain up. The problem is World is not balanced anymore like during the Cold War when US-USSR were on-par with power, modern World goes way in favor of the US, which mean it gives confidence and belief of superiotity which further leads to lack of strategy and ignoring consequences from unthoughtful actions - like starting a nuclear war to preserve hegemony.

During the Cold War, America had nuclear rockets in England, USSR had in East Germany, which mean both had time to react if the other launch nuclear weapon. Today, America have rockets in Poland and Romania, and potentially in Baltic and Ukraine, which is on the border of Russia which means Russia have no time to reply to the threat or percieved threat, while America can even shoot down Russian nukes over Poland and Romania and if those systems miss, there are other one waiting in England and France and even if they miss there is last stand in North America, while if America push the button, Russia only have one try to defend - from the Russian territory, not foreign like America.

Other danger is Dead Hand system invented by the Russian scientists, which guarantee nuclear retaliation if human life is destroyed in Russia. It is artificial inteligence system created to independently launch nukes on American and European targets if it recognize radiation on Russian soil. That mean with this American advantage, they might fire nukes on Russia, and even if Russia dies, Dead Hand will keep launching nukes on designated targets until it fires all the nukes loaded, and that mean America and Europe cannot defend, they will shoot down 99 but 1 will fall on some big city and kill 10 million, raditation will spread and kill even more and that will be the end of Europe, America, climate, and eventually the world.

Other danger is that Russia feel threatened by closeness of American and European militaries, some countries traveled 10,000km only to be close to Russia which doesn't seem peaceful if you are on the other side. Plus installed rocket systems in Poland and Romania with added rockets and radars stationed on Alaska and NATO satellites hovering of Russia forces Russia into check-mate position, forcing it to think about starting the war first, which lead to abovementioned scenario.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)




This is geopolitics, not single vague sentence.

Why is this muzzie trying to defend his evil kind? We all know how evil you are, you may hide under some sheep skin now but we all know what you trully are.

Geschrieben von Evic, 26.08.2016 at 12:45

Why is this muzzie trying to defend his evil kind? We all know how evil you are, you may hide under some sheep skin now but we all know what you trully are.

Let me ask you again. How comes that those "evil muzzies" didn't kill you or your father/mother during war when many attrocities could be hidden or encouraged ?

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 26.08.2016 at 11:19

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 10:06

ps. USA is going to stay number one for next 50 years, if you can't see that, you aren't as good in geopolitics as you would like others to think that

For you, i am expert in everything, no offence.

I have nothing against USA be numero uno in economy because i need their wealth and trade just like any other normal sane person need, even Communist China which is ideologically on the other side of the specter, trade with USA. But you saying 'USA will be number one' without telling where is vague term. Just become some country have the LARGEST economy doesn't mean it is the number one HEALTHY economy or being number one in LARGEST military doesn't mean being the STRONGEST, or being number one in healthcare spending doesn't mean EFFICIENT healthcare.

Therefore, we can guess you like USA because of the spending, which is only one indicator and not end-result.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also, the current instability in the World is because new powers are emerging and creating a risk for US hegemony to end. One side is pushing up, the other side is pushing them down so it can remain up. The problem is World is not balanced anymore like during the Cold War when US-USSR were on-par with power, modern World goes way in favor of the US, which mean it gives confidence and belief of superiotity which further leads to lack of strategy and ignoring consequences from unthoughtful actions - like starting a nuclear war to preserve hegemony.

During the Cold War, America had nuclear rockets in England, USSR had in East Germany, which mean both had time to react if the other launch nuclear weapon. Today, America have rockets in Poland and Romania, and potentially in Baltic and Ukraine, which is on the border of Russia which means Russia have no time to reply to the threat or percieved threat, while America can even shoot down Russian nukes over Poland and Romania and if those systems miss, there are other one waiting in England and France and even if they miss there is last stand in North America, while if America push the button, Russia only have one try to defend - from the Russian territory, not foreign like America.

Other danger is Dead Hand system invented by the Russian scientists, which guarantee nuclear retaliation if human life is destroyed in Russia. It is artificial inteligence system created to independently launch nukes on American and European targets if it recognize radiation on Russian soil. That mean with this American advantage, they might fire nukes on Russia, and even if Russia dies, Dead Hand will keep launching nukes on designated targets until it fires all the nukes loaded, and that mean America and Europe cannot defend, they will shoot down 99 but 1 will fall on some big city and kill 10 million, raditation will spread and kill even more and that will be the end of Europe, America, climate, and eventually the world.

Other danger is that Russia feel threatened by closeness of American and European militaries, some countries traveled 10,000km only to be close to Russia which doesn't seem peaceful if you are on the other side. Plus installed rocket systems in Poland and Romania with added rockets and radars stationed on Alaska and NATO satellites hovering of Russia forces Russia into check-mate position, forcing it to think about starting the war first, which lead to abovementioned scenario.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)




This is geopolitics, not single vague sentence.

you mean offense ?

You bullshit about nukes in second part it's not even worth answering, if one country press that button, it's done, gg wp no re.

I am talking about allies, who is china's ally, and USA with few things couldn't take them from china's hug, or even russia's ?
Okay china-russia
china- nk
russia nk
russia- belarus
mongolia ? I belive they are in strong hands because they are landlocked
Pakistan I belive could be taken with few moves, same goes for Iran
Do you want to count their enemies ? I mean just look arround in east and southeast asia.
Who does have most airplanes ? USAF
Who is second one ? US NAVY
Who has most air carriers
Who has best inteligence agency+ their allies ( MI6, Mossad, DGSE)
No one dreams to go to china, but a lot of people dream going to USA, I can't name any chineese movie or tv series or documentary, while I can bunch of American ones.
Sillicon valley is where inovation comes from, not Shangai or Beijing or Hong Kong, America doesn't produce in USA not because they don't have resources or industrial inteligence, but because of how economy works.
China is running out of drinking water, has highest air polution, highest rate of lung cancer. Russia needs 250 milion people to use their land properly

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 16:01

Pakistan I belive could be taken with few moves, same goes for Iran

Pakistan; country with nuclear weapons.. taken with few moves... :clap:

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 16:01

Russia needs 250 milion people to use their land properly

Russia is fine with 146 million people and 11 million immigrants. That's 81 million workers, not low, not much, just fine, there should be job for everyone willing to work. Putin already issued a law giving unused land to civilians to start tourism or farm business. But there is no need to 'use' the land anymore, this is not 15th century feudalism. Black Earth from Rostov to Omsk is enough to feed Russia and make Russia 1# exporter of food. Giving away land is simply to reverse USSR policy of nationalization, kulak huntings and confiscation of property because new Russia is democratic-capitalist country based on private property.

https://www.rt.com/business/341892-far-east-land-infrastructure/
https://www.rt.com/business/345022-russia-far-east-free-land/
https://www.rt.com/politics/356731-far-east-development-ministry-to/

70% of Russia is under permafrost, therefore 146+11 million people is enough for the future. Not too many to starve and pollute, and not small to be weak and sparse. If more workers are needed, they are easily found in Central Asia (66 million people), Baltic/Belarus/Ukraine/Moldova (61 million) and Caucasus (17 million). 3 million Ukrainians already fled the Ukrainian Civil War and entered Russia, they voluntarely settled in Siberia and Yakutia thus becoming cheap Russian labor.



Russia need money to create jobs and market to sell resources & technology. China have money, and need technology and energy. That's the interest which united two states.

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 15:48

Let me ask you again. How comes that those "evil muzzies" didn't kill you or your father/mother during war when many attrocities could be hidden or encouraged ?

Oh they tried trust me, luckily for them croatian defenses held and muslims didnt make it through. Now the muslims are peacefull just as they were before the war, waiting to kill again.

If you need sources for many croatian mass killings in central bosnia done by muslims ill be happy to post them.

Geschrieben von Evic, 27.08.2016 at 01:50

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 15:48

Let me ask you again. How comes that those "evil muzzies" didn't kill you or your father/mother during war when many attrocities could be hidden or encouraged ?

Oh they tried trust me, luckily for them croatian defenses held and muslims didnt make it through. Now the muslims are peacefull just as they were before the war, waiting to kill again.

If you need sources for many croatian mass killings in central bosnia done by muslims ill be happy to post them.

You said that you lived your whole life in muslim majority town, which was also held by muslims, so I thought that you are from Travnik, my bad, or yours, depends on how you see it.

They tried ? Bosnian govt. forces tried to get into your town? Which was actually theirs because they were majority, and they were the only one with legitimacy.

So I will tell you one thing, and you can easily check it. How many times did Bosnian government break lines arround croat's held enclaves in central Bosnia, and gave orders to back off because they thought they can not stop war crimes or feed people ?
hint: Vitez

If you need sources for many croatian mass killings of Bosniaks and Serbs ill be happy to post them too, or some terrorist attacks.
hint: cisterna u starom Vitezu, guranje traktorskih guma napunjenih eksplozivom, punjenja kanalizacije eksplozivom u Mostaru.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 26.08.2016 at 16:25

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 16:01

Pakistan I belive could be taken with few moves, same goes for Iran

Pakistan; country with nuclear weapons.. taken with few moves... :clap:

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 26.08.2016 at 16:01

Russia needs 250 milion people to use their land properly

Russia is fine with 146 million people and 11 million immigrants. That's 81 million workers, not low, not much, just fine, there should be job for everyone willing to work. Putin already issued a law giving unused land to civilians to start tourism or farm business. But there is no need to 'use' the land anymore, this is not 15th century feudalism. Black Earth from Rostov to Omsk is enough to feed Russia and make Russia 1# exporter of food. Giving away land is simply to reverse USSR policy of nationalization, kulak huntings and confiscation of property because new Russia is democratic-capitalist country based on private property.

https://www.rt.com/business/341892-far-east-land-infrastructure/
https://www.rt.com/business/345022-russia-far-east-free-land/
https://www.rt.com/politics/356731-far-east-development-ministry-to/

70% of Russia is under permafrost, therefore 146+11 million people is enough for the future. Not too many to starve and pollute, and not small to be weak and sparse. If more workers are needed, they are easily found in Central Asia (66 million people), Baltic/Belarus/Ukraine/Moldova (61 million) and Caucasus (17 million). 3 million Ukrainians already fled the Ukrainian Civil War and entered Russia, they voluntarely settled in Siberia and Yakutia thus becoming cheap Russian labor.



Russia need money to create jobs and market to sell resources & technology. China have money, and need technology and energy. That's the interest which united two states.

I didn't meant militarly, you should read more carefully, or at least not try to troll.
Yeah that is what I am saying, far east, not a lot of people, that is why USA is in good position, not too much, like china and india and not too little people ( COMPARED TO LAND).

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 27.08.2016 at 07:05

You said that you lived your whole life in muslim majority town, which was also held by muslims, so I thought that you are from Travnik, my bad, or yours, depends on how you see it.

They tried ? Bosnian govt. forces tried to get into your town? Which was actually theirs because they were majority, and they were the only one with legitimacy.

So I will tell you one thing, and you can easily check it. How many times did Bosnian government break lines arround croat's held enclaves in central Bosnia, and gave orders to back off because they thought they can not stop war crimes or feed people ?
hint: Vitez

If you need sources for many croatian mass killings of Bosniaks and Serbs ill be happy to post them too, or some terrorist attacks.
hint: cisterna u starom Vitezu, guranje traktorskih guma napunjenih eksplozivom, punjenja kanalizacije eksplozivom u Mostaru.

I live near travnik, not in it, the part where i live is mostly croatian but we are surrounded by muslims.

Travnik before the war wasnt bosniak, the demographics were about 50:50 before 1992 when all croatians were forced to flee across vlasic mountain.

By 1993 muslims aided by mujahideens encircled us in the valley and attacked from all sides in july, if the defences didnt hold chances are none of the 80 000+ croats in the valley would live.


Here are all mass killings on both side (note that ahmici were a retaliation after dozens of croats were killed all over the valley by mujahideens and bosniaks )

Geschrieben von Evic, 27.08.2016 at 07:45

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 27.08.2016 at 07:05

You said that you lived your whole life in muslim majority town, which was also held by muslims, so I thought that you are from Travnik, my bad, or yours, depends on how you see it.

They tried ? Bosnian govt. forces tried to get into your town? Which was actually theirs because they were majority, and they were the only one with legitimacy.

So I will tell you one thing, and you can easily check it. How many times did Bosnian government break lines arround croat's held enclaves in central Bosnia, and gave orders to back off because they thought they can not stop war crimes or feed people ?
hint: Vitez

If you need sources for many croatian mass killings of Bosniaks and Serbs ill be happy to post them too, or some terrorist attacks.
hint: cisterna u starom Vitezu, guranje traktorskih guma napunjenih eksplozivom, punjenja kanalizacije eksplozivom u Mostaru.

I live near travnik, not in it, the part where i live is mostly croatian but we are surrounded by muslims.

Travnik before the war wasnt bosniak, the demographics were about 50:50 before 1992 when all croatians were forced to flee across vlasic mountain.

By 1993 muslims aided by mujahideens encircled us in the valley and attacked from all sides in july, if the defences didnt hold chances are none of the 80 000+ croats in the valley would live.


Here are all mass killings on both side (note that ahmici were a retaliation after dozens of croats were killed all over the valley by mujahideens and bosniaks )

I like how you take map from "herzegbosnia" forum, same forum whose members praise serb leaders who comited attrocities against Bosniaks

I also can't but notice how in that same map killing soldiers= killing civilians, but it does say mass killings.

I don't have time to put every city, but top of my head Vrbanja, Gornji Vakuf, old Vitez, Prozor.

CENTRAL BOSNIA

In Central Bosnia were killed 7 064 or 54,20% Bosniaks, 2 703 or 20,74% Croats, 1 443 ili 11% Serbs and 80 or 0,6% other etnicities. Biggest number (it means mass killings per town) Bosniak civilians were killed from - Prozor 196 Maglaj 180, Vitez 167, Zavidovići 136 Tešanj 133 Gornji Vakuf 117 and Bugojno 83 . Croats Vitez 91, Travnik 68 i Zenica 53. Serbs Zenica 55, Zavidovići 44 i Visoko 42.

QUOTED FROM "BOSNIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD"- Mirsad Tokača