BeSerok

Just to clarify the situation with BeSerok was resolved with Dave's involvement. He isn't a hacker, and the duels he had against PleaseMe and Tengri were deleted as well 2 clan wars he played with the admin hax strategy. Just for clarification nobody in Mystics knew he's using the strategy. He also apologizes to everyone for using the strategy because he didn't know it's against the rules. I hope you can all move on and not hold it against him.

What illegal strategy? Sounds like hacking to me.

Geschrieben von Permamuted, 03.04.2020 at 18:38

What illegal strategy? Sounds like hacking to me.

what i think happened is he put the April fools strat as his default so he would still be able to use it after dave removed the strat

Geschrieben von Abraham, 03.04.2020 at 17:33

because he didn't know it's against the rules.

Geschrieben von Abraham, 03.04.2020 at 17:33

Just to clarify the situation with BeSerok was resolved with Dave's involvement. He isn't a hacker, and the duels he had against PleaseMe and Tengri were deleted as well 2 clan wars he played with the admin hax strategy. Just for clarification nobody in Mystics knew he's using the strategy. He also apologizes to everyone for using the strategy because he didn't know it's against the rules. I hope you can all move on and not hold it against him.

He always checked if I disabled the admin hax strat before he joined my duels. 5 mins after dave removed it from the game, beserok asked me if i could use the admin hax strategy anymore or not. I didnt understand why he asked that but now we can all understand i guess He wont become clean just because you say so or he apologize. Most of the players wont cw,duel against him anymore. We all know the problem with him is not only the admin hax strategy. Many old players know he was also suspicious years ago.

Geschrieben von Lion Sin Escanor, 03.04.2020 at 19:03

Geschrieben von Permamuted, 03.04.2020 at 18:38

What illegal strategy? Sounds like hacking to me.

what i think happened is he put the April fools strat as his default so he would still be able to use it after dave removed the strat

^^ this is what hapenned. And our shitty code let him do it. (I've since fixed that btw)

Beserok is big haxxor

BeSerok also asked me whether I could still use Admin Hax, so he definitely knew other players could not use it anymore because we told him.
So this whole 'didn't know it's against the rules' thing doesn't hold at all. It's a matter of the rules of common decency to not keep using an overpowered strategy, of which you know that it was implemented as a joke, when you know for a fact that other players cannot use it anymore.

And we can all see the elephant in the room: You have a player who over the years has been accused of using exploits, as can be verified by a quick forum search, and now we have a definite case of abuse by that player.
To be honest that brings into question that player's morality. If using an exploit now, then why not all the years before, as alleged?

About some of the old allegations: Post from 2014 https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=16834:

Geschrieben von b0nker2, 05.12.2014 at 21:28

Geschrieben von Eagle, 05.12.2014 at 10:09

I personally think together with people in my cln, that blitz has become really really op. -1 defense isnt enought, it should be -2 atleast. Last couple of games I noticed that blitz rolls have become more and more op, meaning that 8 tanks 8 inf and a gen blitz attack with mine 15 inf and a gen if neutral, I lose by 4 inf and a gen. Also it happened I attacked beserok 50 inf and a gen blitz with mine 90 inf and a gen pd, lost by 12. I also had strong rolls with blitz, 11 inf and a gen blitz attack austria together with 10 inf and a gen pd, I win by 3 and a gen, or I att slovakia with 4 inf blitz, he attacks with 3inf pd, I win by 2. Also I was attacked in berlin, I had 21 inf if, he had 27 inf, 14 mil, 3 tanks and a gen. I dont say he shouldnt have won that battle, but by 14 mil 9 inf and a gen...

No smoke without fire, when so many experienced players are suggesting something is wrong in this case beseroks rolls, then it really should be looked into further. I suggest you take screenshots of the battle screens next time you experience something like this. but no in general I don't think blitz is op.

Geschrieben von Eagle, 06.12.2014 at 06:54

I had many strange rolls against beserok, for example first turn we both att poland, I have 17 inf and a gen pd, he attacks with 8 bombers 5 inf and a gen, wins by 5 inf and a gen, many many strange rolls, yet he accuses me for hacking

Personally I think it might as well be that BeSerok was really just the first one to properly utilize Blitz, and this admin hax exploit might've been just a one time bad decision. But he should have been extra careful to avoid any such situation given the history of allegations against him.
I actually like BeSerok, which makes me hate to have to take position against him here, but all of this leaves a really, really bitter aftertaste in my mouth.

I want to clarify a few things because I really think that you guys are making up a lot of things. First of all I want to apologize to all of you and especially to the players i played against for using admin hax even though it was disabled. I was able to use it because i changed my default strategy to admin hax when it was not disabled yet, dave already commited this so I didnt hack or something but abused a bug which i think still is unfair and thats why I apologized for it. Now coming to the allegations from years ago against me. Its really interesting that I never knew about them when I hadnt retired yet but only now come across it. For those who are accusing me of having unreal rolls, feel free to prove it with one single SS. It shouldnt be hard since I play lots of games on a daily basis. For those who are saying that you can never turnblock my transports or something like this, just ask lelouch how many duels I lost to him because he tbed my transports turns after turns. For those who are saying that i have unreal range or that i can move units from sweden to london without a transport, again feel free to prove it with only one SS. Guys, since its so many of you who are accusing me for cheating, it really shouldnt be that hard to come up with a few SS to prove your case. But let me tell you guys what I think about all of this. I really think that a few of the "elite" players were just butthurt because a newcomer at rank 8/9 who even didnt have all the upgrades carried State of Mind to first place back then so that they didnt want to believe it and had to come up with unproven things. Let me give you an example, I replayed my east game against PleaseMe for the Tournament earlier today and before the game he was very kind to me and wished me good luck and said that it was np for him that i used admin hax against him in the first game after i apologized to him for that. After I beat him with blitz Ukraine, he all of the sudden accused me for hacking and was mad and didnt believe me that i was blitz so he let an admin check my strategy in that game for him. There isnt a player who played blitz more than me and I mastered the strategy and I can tell you that on ukr in 1v1 its superior to any other strategy and you will see this in the future when more and more.players will start playing it in 1v1 as ukr. I also suggest to all of you to feel free to record each and every game of me to try and prove that Im hacking or cheating. It shouldnt be that hard to prove your case if your case is indeed true. Again, I apologize for abusing the bug which is now solved by Dave and I challenge each and every single one of you to prove that im cheating or exploiting bugs in any way.

Beserok is my teammate and one of the reasons I log in to this game each day, a genuine intellect and a fun person. Many of the folks who demonize him dont come close to matching him in so many ways. It appears there was an error in judgement and something which happened very briefly, situation rectified, move on. Shame on those who attempt to belittle someone simply based on the country of their origin, you know yourselves. Every individual determines who they are, time to stop bringing your own personal shortcomings and frustrations into some online medium.

I do recall beserok getting very op rolls and doing impossible stuffs 5year ago and i have made a thread about it long ago, ~Eagle can confirm that beserok is indeed very a suspicious person

all those battles are against beserok and there are many more but im not gonna search for them now





gw v pd Note(any retard that will think this is IF can look at militia moving out of UK city, can IF move miltiia?)

Seriously? What are you even trieing to prove here? First of all noone knows which strats we were playing, you are putting "current strategy: Perfect Defense" up there but anyone could fake this but nvm. Lets start from the top to bottom. The very first battle shows that I lost 6 infs against 6 units of you and im asuming that they are 1 inf and 5 milita that you lost there so nothing strange about that, even if it were more infs, there is still a chance to do a critical hit so these little amount of units dont mean anything at all. The second battle just needs an critical hit of the bomber and thats all so nothing unusual about that as well. The 3rd battle shows that I lost 8 units against your 3 so there you actually got good rolls lol. The 4th battle shows that I lost 31 infs against 27 units and again noone knows how many of them were infs and which strat we both were. I could easily assume that you were blitz and you cant prove me wrong, so that doesnt say anything as well. The 5th and 6th battle you must have been gw there and you yourself are saying that it was gw so thats nothing unusual there as well. And in the other battles im not even involved. You should indeed Search up these other battles if you want to prove a point here. By the way I could also come up with insane rolls once or twice if I try enough times because its all about probability.. and you dont even have that so whats your point? And also I cant read anywhere my name so who gurantees that you had these rolls against me? Even if it was me, these SS dont prove anything unusual tbh.

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

Seriously? What are you even trieing to prove here? First of all noone knows which strats we were playing, you are putting "current strategy: Perfect Defense" up there but anyone could fake this but nvm. Lets start from the top to bottom. The very first battle shows that I lost 6 infs against 6 units of you and im asuming that they are 1 inf and 5 milita that you lost there so nothing strange about that, even if it were more infs, there is still a chance to do a critical hit so these little amount of units dont mean anything at all. The second battle just needs an critical hit of the bomber and thats all so nothing unusual about that as well. The 3rd battle shows that I lost 8 units against your 3 so there you actually got good rolls lol. The 4th battle shows that I lost 31 infs against 27 units and again noone knows how many of them were infs and which strat we both were. I could easily assume that you were blitz and you cant prove me wrong, so that doesnt say anything as well. The 5th and 6th battle you must have been gw there and you yourself are saying that it was gw so thats nothing unusual there as well. And in the other battles im not even involved. You should indeed Search up these other battles if you want to prove a point here. By the way I could also come up with insane rolls once or twice if I try enough times because its all about probability.. and you dont even have that so whats your point? And also I cant read anywhere my name so who gurantees that you had these rolls against me? Even if it was me, these SS dont prove anything unusual tbh.

the remaining militia's color is white not orange which means none of these militia has died and which proves that the 6killed units are 6inf, and even if it was militia still 5 defense against 4 attack and is also more but still not normal considering i had double amount of units(stack bonus doubles) and much more defense and bigger possible roll than your possible rolls in every hit so stop putting retarded arguments to escape the real problem
the second point is you are trying to escape the real argument by claiming these units were not all infantry and that milita are weaker, well they have 6 def with a gen and +1 hp not much weaker than pd inf and are still stronger than your 5attack rolling inf and the battle outcome shouldnt have been this close these rolls are almost the same as IF rolls, you are saying that because i didnt post prove that our strats were pd this discards these suspicious rolls and well im not that low person to make something up and attack someone else based on false evidences
also gw militia had 6 defense when we played this game, its not normal for a larger amount of militia with 6rolls to lose against inf with 5rolls with 5 units left
what i suspect in you is that you have IF rolls with normal units ranges, the rolls you get are only legit if your units have larger critical chance/more HP
and you are not the first person that does this, we all know an hacker from ancient times putting his critical chance to 40% and several people i know does know how to glitch tb chance

i cant prove anything by my post because i can always fake these stuffs but i do just assure anybody whose reading this that i have faked nothing and the strategies/numbers were as i said, actually if someone is expert in psychology he will come into conclusion that you are actually guilty since you are trying to find any possible way out of the accusation even when some of your statements are literally just stupid and makes no sense

everything is possible in at war yes and by saying that everything is possible you do simply discard every possible claim that you are cheating so its really impossible to prove if someone is actually cheating or not because there will always be a chance they arent but.. there are too many bullshit battle outcomes but it seems like that against you this is happening too often... and many people are complaining about you

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:18

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

I recently had a strange encounter with beserok as well.
He was caught using admin hax against me.
He also claimed to have been using lucky bastard during our duel. Seems like he is a cheater AND a liar.

Geschrieben von DJ003, 04.04.2020 at 19:56

Shame on those who attempt to belittle someone simply based on the country of their origin, you know yourselves

Did you know that he beat me 4 times in a row with impossible rolls,hard tank spam and after every duel I told him that he hacked but he just laughed,said that I was just mad and he tried to mock me.
I would do the same if he was from mars and this doesnt have anything to do with his origin. Also no one is "belittling" him right now for his country or origin but only because of he dueled so many people in only 2 days and gained 150+ elo thx to admin hax. He did all that belittling himself

Geschrieben von PleaseMe, 05.04.2020 at 00:22

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:18

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

I recently had a strange encounter with beserok as well.
He was caught using admin hax against me.
He also claimed to have been using lucky bastard during our duel. Seems like he is a cheater AND a liar.

i got too many times stupid rolls against random people its impossible that all of these people are cheaters and cant judge from few incidents its just how random at war rolls/tbs are
but some people get lucky way too many times and in every important battle like beserok/opi/soldier001
actually the chances soldier001 is getting legit tbs is below 5%, he tbed too many units with 1 for many turns in a row
here's an example of how a game against soldier001 looks like
every single stack got tbed by low amount of units, or you can say that im retarded and buying offensive units to defend ending up with 0 recapping my capital berlin

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:18

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

Seriously? What are you even trieing to prove here? First of all noone knows which strats we were playing, you are putting "current strategy: Perfect Defense" up there but anyone could fake this but nvm. Lets start from the top to bottom. The very first battle shows that I lost 6 infs against 6 units of you and im asuming that they are 1 inf and 5 milita that you lost there so nothing strange about that, even if it were more infs, there is still a chance to do a critical hit so these little amount of units dont mean anything at all. The second battle just needs an critical hit of the bomber and thats all so nothing unusual about that as well. The 3rd battle shows that I lost 8 units against your 3 so there you actually got good rolls lol. The 4th battle shows that I lost 31 infs against 27 units and again noone knows how many of them were infs and which strat we both were. I could easily assume that you were blitz and you cant prove me wrong, so that doesnt say anything as well. The 5th and 6th battle you must have been gw there and you yourself are saying that it was gw so thats nothing unusual there as well. And in the other battles im not even involved. You should indeed Search up these other battles if you want to prove a point here. By the way I could also come up with insane rolls once or twice if I try enough times because its all about probability.. and you dont even have that so whats your point? And also I cant read anywhere my name so who gurantees that you had these rolls against me? Even if it was me, these SS dont prove anything unusual tbh.

the remaining militia's color is white not orange which means none of these militia has died and which proves that the 6killed units are 6inf, and even if it was militia still 5 defense against 4 attack and is also more but still not normal considering i had double amount of units(stack bonus doubles) and much more defense and bigger possible roll than your possible rolls in every hit so stop putting retarded arguments to escape the real problem
the second point is you are trying to escape the real argument by claiming these units were not all infantry and that milita are weaker, well they have 6 def with a gen and +1 hp not much weaker than pd inf and are still stronger than your 5attack rolling inf and the battle outcome shouldnt have been this close these rolls are almost the same as IF rolls, you are saying that because i didnt post prove that our strats were pd this discards these suspicious rolls and well im not that low person to make something up and attack someone else based on false evidences
also gw militia had 6 defense when we played this game, its not normal for a larger amount of militia with 6rolls to lose against inf with 5rolls with 5 units left
what i suspect in you is that you have IF rolls with normal units ranges, the rolls you get are only legit if your units have larger critical chance/more HP
and you are not the first person that does this, we all know an hacker from ancient times putting his critical chance to 40% and several people i know does know how to glitch tb chance

i cant prove anything by my post because i can always fake these stuffs but i do just assure anybody whose reading this that i have faked nothing and the strategies/numbers were as i said, actually if someone is expert in psychology he will come into conclusion that you are actually guilty since you are trying to find any possible way out of the accusation even when some of your statements are literally just stupid and makes no sense

everything is possible in at war yes and by saying that everything is possible you do simply discard every possible claim that you are cheating so its really impossible to prove if someone is actually cheating or not because there will always be a chance they arent but.. there are too many bullshit battle outcomes but it seems like that against you this is happening too often... and many people are complaining about you

Im asking for proves and your are telling me that you cant prove anything so why do you even comment? How comes that in all the years where so many players were suspecting me of hacking none of you has a single SS that proves that I did hack/cheat? You know what? I also can come up with a game where I had really insanely bad rolls against someone and accuse that guy of cheating. But that would be so idiotic because these are rolls and its all about probability so like you said anything can happen. Almost in every single game someone is complaining about the rolls and thats the most normal thing. Seriously the allegations against me could also be against any random player since you dont have any proofs, it would just need few players who are hating on a guy who they are losing often to and thats it. Im sure if someone would analyze the rolls of some players and compare them with mine for a long enough term they would find literally no difference. In fact I want someone to do this. I want someone to analyue my rolls ans compare them to other players rolls. Look Im even suggesting you a way to prove your case if your case is right. Just feel free to record your games against me and put the battles up lets see how "unusual" my rolls are. And this suggestion counts for everyone who is accusing me for cheating. And just to clear you up, the remaining units color is ALWAYS white no matter if some of them has died or not WHEN you have won the battle.

Geschrieben von PleaseMe, 05.04.2020 at 00:22

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:18

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

I recently had a strange encounter with beserok as well.
He was caught using admin hax against me.
He also claimed to have been using lucky bastard during our duel. Seems like he is a cheater AND a liar.

I already admitted that and we clarified that up and you said that it was no problem after i apologized to you for that. But how comes that you are so toxic now after you lost the replay fair where i was blitz? You see, thats exactly what i mean. You are butthurt because you lost and thats why you are hating on me and you arent the only one who is doing this. It was no problem for you before we rerunned that duel but only after you lost again it all of the sudden became a problem for you. Come on, just be real.

I won 18 out of 25 duel we had(check my duel list if you dont want to believe that and here are some http://prntscr.com/rtaeic)
how am i possibly crying because i suck and cant defeat you?

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:56

I won 18 out of 25 duel we had(check my duel list if you dont want to believe that and here are some http://prntscr.com/rtaeic)
how am i possibly crying because i suck and cant defeat you?

Where did I say that you suck and cant defeat me? Dont you see? You said you won like 18 of 25 duels against me so I dont understand why you are crieing and also why would I lose 18 of 25 duels against you if I can cheat/hack or manipulate the rolls? Do you see that this makes no sence? I mean, seriously if I ever could hack or manipulate rolls like you are accusing me of then believe me I would always be at the peak and wouldnt have a losing record against any player. You just shot yourself in the foot like we say in Germany.

Geschrieben von PleaseMe, 05.04.2020 at 00:22

Geschrieben von SyrianDevil, 05.04.2020 at 00:18

Geschrieben von BeSerok, 04.04.2020 at 23:52

I recently had a strange encounter with beserok as well.
He was caught using admin hax against me.
He also claimed to have been using lucky bastard during our duel. Seems like he is a cheater AND a liar.

He recapped with 30 tanks out of nowhere. I asked him how did he have that much money and he said he was imp. Then i asked him about the op rolls , i tried the same battle with thrall and we saw that it was impossible for beserok to win it, then he claimed to be LB xD
ty for sharing this mr mecoy now back to ignore list