Notre Dame is burning

Geschrieben von Tik-Tok, 09.06.2019 at 17:00

There are some pretty disgusting comments in this thread claiming it's 'just a building'. It's one of the most symbolic buildings in the world that represents a deeply religious connection for an entire people. The disrespect some people have for their ancestors really sickens me. I highly doubt these same people would hold the same opinion had the building been a non-Christian symbol. This negative talk of French Empire is also riddled with hypocrisy. Why is French Empire so immoral and yet the thousands of other Empires are not? It's because France is White. That's it. French Empire has nothing to do with the Notre Dame burning and Notre Dame was built centuries before French Empire.

I highly agree with Tik-Tok's statement.

Geschrieben von Tik-Tok, 09.06.2019 at 17:00

There are some pretty disgusting comments in this thread claiming it's 'just a building'. It's one of the most symbolic buildings in the world that represents a deeply religious connection for an entire people. The disrespect some people have for their ancestors really sickens me. I highly doubt these same people would hold the same opinion had the building been a non-Christian symbol. This negative talk of French Empire is also riddled with hypocrisy. Why is French Empire so immoral and yet the thousands of other Empires are not? It's because France is White. That's it. French Empire has nothing to do with the Notre Dame burning and Notre Dame was built centuries before French Empire.

I mean, you can't say the French Empire wasn't immoral lmao. No one is saying it was immoral because of race. It was immoral because of the actions it did (slavery, massacre of Algerians, massacres of Africans, massacres of Vietnamese). Stop making everything about race. But I agree with you that the Notre Dame is innocent of all this. It has a serious cultural meaning for tens of millions of people.

But you at the same time can't expect people who hate France to have any sympathy for the Notre Dame. Would you have the same sympathy for a building in a country you hated? Just ignore them, they don't like France and thus dislike the Notre Dame by extension. No need to take it personally.

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

I mean, you can't say the French Empire wasn't immoral lmao.

Yes I can. If French Empire is immoral, then all Empires in history have been immoral. All of human history is therefore immoral so what's our spectrum for morality?

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

No one is saying it was immoral because of race.

Yes, they are. One of the strongest symbols of christian religious architecture burns and some of the responses appear to be celebratory in nature. Worse, French Empire is brought up as if this fire was some sort of righteous judgement and yet I don't see the same people writing celebrations when similar calamities hit other races, creeds and cultures. Even in the most radical of far-right circles, you will not see groups celebrating a random mosque been bombed by NATO forces.

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

It was immoral because of the actions it did (slavery, massacre of Algerians, massacres of Africans, massacres of Vietnamese).

France also banned slavery, long before 95% of the modern world. If slavery = immoral, and France banned its practise, then it was in the top 95% of most moral Empires worldwide, in human history. Massacres are common place throughout history conducted by every single state in existence. Why is this same criteria never used to condemn anything other than White colonialism which lasted mere centuries compared to the thousands of years of non-European imperialism? Over the vast annals of history, Algeria has been far, far more viscous to the French than vice versa. You could easily argue French colonialism was merely French revenge for the 800 years of slavery and attempted conquest. Were the Vietnamese tribes any less violent, imperial or enslaving than the French?

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

Stop making everything about race.

Then why are the only receivers of your diatribe coincidentally White despite those Whites having much larger moral impacts on the world than anyone else? If not for the British and French Empires, slavery would remain commonplace. Frankly, it still is in many parts of the world.

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

But you at the same time can't expect people who hate France to have any sympathy for the Notre Dame.

Why do they hate the French? That seems pretty damn bigoted, doesn't it?

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

Would you have the same sympathy for a building in a country you hated?

No, but I'm not a hypocritical bleeding heart progressive liberal who claims to hold values of tolerance, and I also don't tend to celebrate the burning of symbolic buildings that other peoples feel special. Frankly, anything built in the pre-modern era holds significant value.

Geschrieben von Player 999, 15.06.2019 at 20:54

Just ignore them, they don't like France and thus dislike the Notre Dame by extension. No need to take it personally.

I will take it personally, and I will point it out.

Geschrieben von Rock Lee, 25.04.2019 at 09:38

I'v had the calculation for you

How many dollars France spends a year on:

General public service - 156,714,281,880.2$
Housing - 28,259,952,470.2 $
Hospitals and free healthcares - 2,080,960,136,44.2 $
Free schools and free universities for everyone - 138,730,675,762.8 $
Social Security - 616,580,781,168$

Additionally evil fasicst and matreialistic French people contribute 4B to charity and public aid every month.

Source - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/economy-finance/2019_dbp_fr_en.pdf

It's should be clear for everyone that France would be far richer nation if it was'snt that soclialist. According to EU's report 56% of its GDP goes to maintain public service. And It's even sadder that people see western life of labour as meaningful and correct only when its fruits are ment to substain unmetrialistic civilisations that denounce them. It's a slap in the fact of every working family that worked hard and paid taxes to pay for your education.

Geschrieben von Rock Lee, 25.04.2019 at 09:38

It's should be clear for everyone that France would be far richer nation if it was'snt that soclialist.

But this is why France have high living standards... you have to spend/consume in order to maintain certain standards. If you abolish all those spendings, you will get richer, but have less living standard. In other words, all the wealth will remain in the hands of the rich. I'm simplifying to avoid 1000 words post.

I don't understand why some people keep sacrificing humans, life and energy to grow the size of their economy, when the very purpose of the economy is to help the men.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 27.06.2019 at 14:40

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I don't understand why some people keep sacrificing humans, life and energy to grow the size of their economy, when the very purpose of the economy is to help the men.

Agree.... Imo, cannibalism (even if indirect) is alive and well.

Geschrieben von brianwl, 28.06.2019 at 10:16

Agree.... Imo, cannibalism (even if indirect) is alive and well.

Not sure if sarcastic, but you know what i mean; sacrifice as longer hours, overtime, no maternity which put newborn at risk, no workplace insurance, non-legal workers (so employers doesn't have to pay taxes and pensions), all in the name of economic growth.

They started laying off, reducing wages, giving govt. bail to companies (not workers) all in the name of economic growth & progress, and people are more and more ok with it. I can understand exploitation in the late 19th century, capitalism was new and governments didn't enact all the proper laws yet, but it's been 150 years from that time. I can even understand post-communist countries, not used to new system, so lots of corruption and mismanagement occurs, they need more time to learn new realities.

Modern people brag about tertiary education and accumulated knowledge, but still ignore or choose to ignore some simple illogical things, like their local economy.

Not sarcastic, i tried to understand also, and cannibalism is how i view it now.

One possible economic fix would be to pay mothers $30k per year for their first child (only one child, or else you get the situation where some women just have babies to increase welfare payments)... this would create the growth, provide for the child's needs, etc. It would be a measured stimulus for the economy, while providing for the child.