Stalingrad

Every May during V-Day in Russia, there is debate in Volgograd about the name. It was named Stalingrad during the war, but renamed to Volgograd later, but because battle and city itself is well known for it, and left a marks(and scars) on locals, they debate about renaming back. What do you think, should it be renamed to WW2 name? Is that bad because it is communist name? Is it communist name at all, can we mix history with politics? Can that be a presedance in city naming for example Washington city, he had slaves so he might lose the city to leftist agenda, maybe similar happened to Stalingrad? (just right wingers renamed it due to leftist name, idk its confusing).

City was founded and named Tsaritsyn, then renamed to Stalingrad then Volgograd, so what about renaming to original name Tsaritsyn? What is the best name for that city in your opinion.

I think it should be renamed back to Stalingrad, because of the battle and consequences it created. I even think, but not sure, that city parliament allowed for city to be renamed Stalingrad for 1 day during V-Day (May 9), which i guess is good start and best compromise for now.

Stalingrad,that's when it was the most important and remained in history with that name.

City on the volga ofcourse

Stalingrad

Stalingrad. and while you are it, rename Petersburg to Leningrad too.

Does it really matter its jus a name guys

I would go with vulvagrad though

Tsaritsyn. As far as I know this was the first name of the city and it should remain so.

Without any shadow of doubt, Tsaritsyn, it was its original founding name and has been the name which stood the longest. Volgograd is a politically-correct name to avoid political leanings and Stalingrad is the exacerbation of an Hitler-level dictator who slaughtered 50M people directly or indirectly through forced industrialization.

Why not honouring the city and Russia's Imperial History by keeping it as Tsaritsyn? Saint Petersburg is Saint Petersburg for sort of the same reason

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 15.07.2018 at 11:03

Without any shadow of doubt, Tsaritsyn, it was its original founding name and has been the name which stood the longest. Volgograd is a politically-correct name to avoid political leanings and Stalingrad is the exacerbation of an Hitler-level dictator who slaughtered 50M people directly or indirectly through forced industrialization.

Why not honouring the city and Russia's Imperial History by keeping it as Tsaritsyn? Saint Petersburg is Saint Petersburg for sort of the same reason

I understand your point that it is renamed due to political correctness and bad politics of Stalin, but no need to use propaganda (it is very obvious).

It is impossible that 50 million died directly or indirectly through forced industrialization, because when Stalin started his term, there were 148 million, so saying 1/3 population died is ridiculous, especially because there were 191 million people when Stalin died plus 1.5m to 2m pop. growth during his reign(and that includes 27 million lost in WW2). Unless you want to blame him for dying of natural causes and accidents, of which many people died just like in any country as immortality is yet not reached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 15.07.2018 at 11:15

It is impossible that 50 million died directly or indirectly through forced industrialization, because when Stalin started his term, there were 148 million, so saying 1/3 population died is ridiculous, especially because there were 191 million people when Stalin died plus 1.5m to 2m pop. growth during his reign(and that includes 27 million lost in WW2). Unless you want to blame him for dying of natural causes and accidents, of which many people died just like in any country as immortality is yet not reached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union

It's indeed impossible to precise the number of victims during Stalinistic Totalitarianism, there's no consensus, archives aren't 100% representative or some of the periods of greater repression and gulag spam were not saved in archives. I'm not that dumbfounded to blame him for everything, but he's indeed guilty of many indirect deaths as a result of the forced industralization and collectivization + Gulag's.

I've read a bit since you brought it up and 27M in WW2, with 1-7 millions from Gulag incarcaeration, 6-7 from a 30's famine and 2 from 46's famine + forced labour of ethnic germans. I do recognize 50m is a bit of an exacerbated number after reading a slight bit, but he did cause the deaths of dozens of millions.

Sad that since History's written by the victors the relative good outweighs the bad

You are wrong. Almost no one died under Stalin's leadership. Stalin was probably one of the best, if not the best, leader of the 20th century. He broght prosperity and, whether you admit it or not, freedom to his people. He freed them from capitalism. Millions were freed, communism was perfect and was executed perfectly under Stalin. Now stop, fapp. You lack any clear knowledge about politics. In fact, I don't think you've ever even taken a history class or any other related class. Read a book. If you even know how to read. Prove me wrong.

Putingrad

Geschrieben von Tribune Aquila, 17.07.2018 at 17:25

You are wrong. Almost no one died under Stalin's leadership. Stalin was probably one of the best, if not the best, leader of the 20th century. He broght prosperity and, whether you admit it or not, freedom to his people. He freed them from capitalism. Millions were freed, communism was perfect and was executed perfectly under Stalin. Now stop, fapp. You lack any clear knowledge about politics. In fact, I don't think you've ever even taken a history class or any other related class. Read a book. If you even know how to read. Prove me wrong.

WHAT AN ACTUAL FUCK ?

Andartesgrad

Geschrieben von Black Swans, 20.07.2018 at 18:09

WHAT AN ACTUAL FUCK ?

-> Sean Spicer as a nickname
-> A meme paragraph

Can you into irony?