Ukraine v Russia

Its happening


Putin has the army at his disposal. He controls how much troops and where the troops will go.

In response to Putin's agressions, Klitschko has demanded for full mobilization Ukraine's armed forces.


The Right Sector (Maidan) has mobilized to fight Russians


Russia has already begun funding Ukraine's people to turn on themselves.
It will be a dirty war. Many will die. But Ukraine will win.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:48

If someones pisses Russia - he wont survive for long. Proof is Germany in WW2. Russia is defensive nation, but there are 8,000,000 russians in Ukraine, and their rights have been violated. Putin is legitimate democraticly elected President of Russia supported by 80% of Russian peope. Klitchko is a boxer wannabe president, he is not legitimate leader of Ukraine, nor he recieve majority support. He is West's puppet, his mission is to make puppet state out of Ukraine. Russia doesnt care for Ukraine anyway, but it cares for russian people.

If comes to full-scale war, 1v1 Ukraine stand no chance. West might supply Ukraine with weapon that wont change the situation. West cannot help Ukraine militarily as they are afraid of Russia. Even USA is not that crazy to provoke an US-Russian war because of ukrainian instability.

erm west is not afraid of russia. USA alone has much more weaponry and soldiers than russia does.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:48

If someones pisses Russia - he wont survive for long. Proof is Germany in WW2. Russia is defensive nation, but there are 8,000,000 russians in Ukraine, and their rights have been violated. Putin is legitimate democraticly elected President of Russia supported by 80% of Russian peope. Klitchko is a boxer wannabe president, he is not legitimate leader of Ukraine, nor he recieve majority support. He is West's puppet, his mission is to make puppet state out of Ukraine. Russia doesnt care for Ukraine anyway, but it cares for russian people.

If comes to full-scale war, 1v1 Ukraine stand no chance. West might supply Ukraine with weapon that wont change the situation. West cannot help Ukraine militarily as they are afraid of Russia. Even USA is not that crazy to provoke an US-Russian war because of ukrainian instability.

>Implying France and the UK alone couldn't defend Ukraine against crumbling Russia

Also, @Germany: How about you try fighting two fronts, and still kicking ass? They fucking destroyed the Russians in the Great War, and would have annihilated the rest of the Entente as well.

Russians seem to have a hard time realizing they arent at the top of the world

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:59

USA has more manpower as they have x2 more population, but divide that: blacks wont fight because white wont let them carry ranks insignia(racism, kkk, nazism), latinos will leave USA and return home. So only whites will fight, thats 49% of all US manpower.

Yes because this is 1917. And the kkk controls the government with the black president.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:08

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:01

Yes because this is 1917. And the kkk controls the government with the black president.

Racism still survives in America. KKK is present. African Americans arent free. Their eyes are just covered in spam propaganda how USA is awesome.

Black president was supported to be elected by economic lobby. So they can calm down non-whites in America. White lobby still rule from the shadow aka from economic sector.

Of course racism survives in America, I don't doubt that. But you're saying that blacks will not fight because they aren't given rank insignias, which is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
http://www.theroot.com/photos/2013/05/top_black_military_leaders_19_of_the_highestranking_african_americans.html
Blacks can be commissioned officers. I don't see why you would think a small southern group would have any effect on the entire black population and their involvement in the military.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:08

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:01

Yes because this is 1917. And the kkk controls the government with the black president.

Racism still survives in America. KKK is present. African Americans arent free. Their eyes are just covered in spam propaganda how USA is awesome.

Black president was supported to be elected by economic lobby. So they can calm down non-whites in America. White lobby still rule from the shadow aka from economic sector.

Clearly you dont live in USA

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 11:11

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:08

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:01

Yes because this is 1917. And the kkk controls the government with the black president.

Racism still survives in America. KKK is present. African Americans arent free. Their eyes are just covered in spam propaganda how USA is awesome.

Black president was supported to be elected by economic lobby. So they can calm down non-whites in America. White lobby still rule from the shadow aka from economic sector.

Clearly you dont live in USA

If u think there's no racism in usa ur blind.....

There is very little racism in the US and not enough to have all the black people in america suddenly not want to fight for their country. African Americans are very patriotic

There is racism in the US but that decreases as the years go by. It's not as bad as it is in Eastern Europe though.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:48

If someones pisses Russia - he wont survive for long. Proof is Germany in WW2. Russia is defensive nation, but there are 8,000,000 russians in Ukraine, and their rights have been violated. Putin is legitimate democraticly elected President of Russia supported by 80% of Russian peope. Klitchko is a boxer wannabe president, he is not legitimate leader of Ukraine, nor he recieve majority support. He is West's puppet, his mission is to make puppet state out of Ukraine. Russia doesnt care for Ukraine anyway, but it cares for russian people.

If comes to full-scale war, 1v1 Ukraine stand no chance. West might supply Ukraine with weapon that wont change the situation. West cannot help Ukraine militarily as they are afraid of Russia. Even USA is not that crazy to provoke an US-Russian war because of ukrainian instability.

i find these words very harsh, Klitchko is cool dude....but everything else is true...unfortunalty :/
except for the part about the Racism in the US. there is Racism in the US, but the US isn't controlled by the KKK

and btw: Russia>Ukraine
but: Nato>Russia

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:59

USA has more manpower as they have x2 more population, but divide that: blacks wont fight because white wont let them carry ranks insignia(racism, kkk, nazism), latinos will leave USA and return home. So only whites will fight, thats 49% of all US manpower.

57.6% withe people=California
72.4% withe people=US in average
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:04

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 10:55

>Implying France and the UK alone couldn't defend Ukraine against crumbling Russia

Also, @Germany: How about you try fighting two fronts, and still kicking ass? They fucking destroyed the Russians in the Great War, and would have annihilated the rest of the Entente as well.

Russian Empire was losing due to communist insurection in the back. Communists raised strikes in weapon factories, blocked supply lines, inflitrated imperial army and recruited its soldiers. Thats why Russia was losing in WW1.

If i was Germany, i wouldnt start stupid war and try to conquer whole world just because i think im master-race. They got what they deserve.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 10:55

would have annihilated the rest of the Entente as well.

If i could maintain erection for 2 hours i would've be 1# porn actor. It doesnt matter ''what could have been'', it matters what had been. Germany lost. Twice.

They didn't attempt to conquer the entire world in The Great War, they stood up for their ally, and were betrayed by Russia.

They only lost due to American intervention, which was in the wrong, due to them secretly shipping war materials to the Entente- Something incredibly idiotic and against American will- and then having their ship sunk. Now look at Germany today: It's lost both World Wars, yet still controls Europe by the balls. What has Russia done, other than crumble into oblivion, and allow for inequality and Fascism to spread rampant within it's borders?

Black dudes will be the first in line, most eager to fight for their oppressor. They will gladly take part in the thing that was done to them centuries ago. If the west doesn't directly interfere (the west is already involved in Ukraine but indirectly), Russia will crush them. And it's better that way for everyone.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.03.2014 at 11:45

Black dudes will be the first in line, most eager to fight for their oppressor. They will gladly take part in the thing that was done to them centuries ago. If the west doesn't directly interfere (the west is already involved in Ukraine but indirectly), Russia will crush them. And it's better that way for everyone.

True...except the better for everyone part, it's better to those who say it's better, and the Russian Ukrainians that Stalin put there 1944-1953 say it's worse

Think of the possible consequences of western intervention, and tell me it's not better to abstain this time.

How will Ukraine win? Kharkiv got overthrown and is now pro Russian. Crimea is pro russian. Many eastern Ukraine regions don't listen to Kiev.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:50

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:11

Of course racism survives in America, I don't doubt that. But you're saying that blacks will not fight because they aren't given rank insignias, which is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

It will start like that, in the war pressure whites wont be able to hold and hate will spread like a cancer. It is easy for racist to fight along black in iraq or afghanistan kindergarden, but when real war comes, he will show his right face.

Are you saying that every White person in America is a racist? Are you saying that all Whites and Blacks will fight with eachother as opposed to fighting for their country? If Whites and Blacks were able to fight together in WW2, when America was a much more racist place, then I'm pretty sure we'd be able to fight together now.

The only thing some black dudes will do if there will ever be unrest in USA, is probably rob some guy of his plasma TV, and probably kill eachother. They'll never raise their fist at their white daddy.

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:53

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:50

Geschrieben von Nero, 01.03.2014 at 11:11

Of course racism survives in America, I don't doubt that. But you're saying that blacks will not fight because they aren't given rank insignias, which is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

It will start like that, in the war pressure whites wont be able to hold and hate will spread like a cancer. It is easy for racist to fight along black in iraq or afghanistan kindergarden, but when real war comes, he will show his right face.

Are you saying that every White person in America is a racist? Are you saying that all Whites and Blacks will fight with eachother as opposed to fighting for their country? If Whites and Blacks were able to fight together in WW2, when America was a much more racist place, then I'm pretty sure we'd be able to fight together now.

Damn you're right, but Native americans aren't Honuored even though they fought better than most Withes

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 11:32

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 10:48

If someones pisses Russia - he wont survive for long. Proof is Germany in WW2. Russia is defensive nation, but there are 8,000,000 russians in Ukraine, and their rights have been violated. Putin is legitimate democraticly elected President of Russia supported by 80% of Russian peope. Klitchko is a boxer wannabe president, he is not legitimate leader of Ukraine, nor he recieve majority support. He is West's puppet, his mission is to make puppet state out of Ukraine. Russia doesnt care for Ukraine anyway, but it cares for russian people.

If comes to full-scale war, 1v1 Ukraine stand no chance. West might supply Ukraine with weapon that wont change the situation. West cannot help Ukraine militarily as they are afraid of Russia. Even USA is not that crazy to provoke an US-Russian war because of ukrainian instability.

i find these words very harsh, Klitchko is cool dude....but everything else is true...unfortunalty :/
except for the part about the Racism in the US. there is Racism in the US, but the US isn't controlled by the KKK

and btw: Russia>Ukraine
but: Nato>Russia

Are you sure that NATO can win? Russia has tons of resources, and no debt. While some NATO countries are in debt, and have to pay for gas. WHile Russia is the one who sells the gas. If Russia stopped selling gas, NATO could be in some trouble then.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 11:56

Damn you're right, but Native americans aren't Honuored even though they fought better than most Withes

You and me Tirpitz, in the future, will land on a new planet and kill off every individual of that species, then repopulate it with humans. Would it be smart of us, the leaders, to remind people every year of what we did?

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:56

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:43

They didn't attempt to conquer the entire world in The Great War, they stood up for their ally, and were betrayed by Russia.

They only lost due to American intervention, which was in the wrong, due to them secretly shipping war materials to the Entente- Something incredibly idiotic and against American will- and then having their ship sunk. Now look at Germany today: It's lost both World Wars, yet still controls Europe by the balls. What has Russia done, other than crumble into oblivion, and allow for inequality and Fascism to spread rampant within it's borders?

Russia wasnt German ally. Austria and Germany canceled alliance 1870' i think. Russia made alliance with France and later expanded it with UK. Russia and Serbia had long-blood alliance since they are both slavic, so mess with Serbia and you will have Russia on your back. Germany knew that, yet they invaded Serbia with Austria. And they failed, losing their empires.

Austria Germany Ottoman and Italy were the 'Central Powers' and allies then Italy left this coalition When the war started as they had an secret threatment with the Triple Entente

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:58

Are you sure that NATO can win? Russia has tons of resources, and no debt. While some NATO countries are in debt, and have to pay for gas. WHile Russia is the one who sells the gas. If Russia stopped selling gas, NATO could be in some trouble then.

Remember NATO is not just most of Europe. It's also USA.

Oops i right now noticed that i wanted to say: Native americans+Afro-americans

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.03.2014 at 11:59

You and me Tirpitz, in the future, will land on a new planet and kill off every individual of that species, then repopulate it with humans. Would it be smart of us, the leaders, to remind people every year of what we did?

i hope you aren't abled to reproduce yourself with other men, and even if you are i am not intrested in helping you with this O_o and i wanted to say: Native americans+Afro americans, sorry

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.03.2014 at 12:01

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:58

Are you sure that NATO can win? Russia has tons of resources, and no debt. While some NATO countries are in debt, and have to pay for gas. WHile Russia is the one who sells the gas. If Russia stopped selling gas, NATO could be in some trouble then.

Remember NATO is not just Europe. It's also USA.

Now that I think more about it, SCO vs NATO would be a more balanced option. Right, forgot about the USA. But wait, could the US economy fight a war against a 1st world superpower? I'm not very sure, since they have 17.5 trillion dollars in debt with a poorly executed healthcare plan. Or so I've heard. It's a hard question really. Maybe NATO could win but with great losses.

But what if Russia bombs the Middle East? Lots of cheap gas lost.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:58

Are you sure that NATO can win? Russia has tons of resources, and no debt. While some NATO countries are in debt, and have to pay for gas. WHile Russia is the one who sells the gas. If Russia stopped selling gas, NATO could be in some trouble then.

i am not 100% sure, but Nato has about 5-10 times the Income of Russia...enough sayed

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.03.2014 at 11:59

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 11:56

Damn you're right, but Native americans aren't Honuored even though they fought better than most Withes

You and me Tirpitz, in the future, will land on a new planet and kill off every individual of that species, then repopulate it with humans. Would it be smart of us, the leaders, to remind people every year of what we did?

B-but slaves!

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 12:07

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:58

Are you sure that NATO can win? Russia has tons of resources, and no debt. While some NATO countries are in debt, and have to pay for gas. WHile Russia is the one who sells the gas. If Russia stopped selling gas, NATO could be in some trouble then.

i am not 100% sure, but Nato has about 5-10 times the Income of Russia...enough sayed

What if Russia bombs (or nukes, if Russia takes it to the extreme) the Middle East, preventing the USA from getting all of that cheap oil, who funds the European countries in NATO. Which means NATO's funding can take a hit. But still, NATO could win. Just with great losses though.