Rank limits and how they kill 3v3s

I've heard so much blame on RPs, and i guess much is true, it really is a shitty scenario designed to get SP.

But just think about what you need SP for...ranking up, rank limits.
3v3s used to have no rank limit, then 5+,6+,7+ and now its 8+ usally. lately i heard rank 11s saying that some unknown rank 8s are getting worse, and its true.

But what do they do? Blame RP. But is it the fault of RPs, that rank 8s get worse, when we keep raising the rank limit for games that are actually decent training, making it impossible for ronk 6s to learn enjoying 3v3s and getting better? There is a HUGE inflation going on about ranks and rank limits, we should have low rank limits, 6+, 7+, so the people who arent good yet, can become better, make their own 3v3s, because they enjoyed them and make CWs that arent rape.

NO high rank seems to see how rank 6s, 7s, and 8s who come from r7 dont have had any training except shitty europe+ FFAs. why do you expect some r7 or r8 who hasnt had a 3v3 or the chance to play one ever to be any good?

Also another complaint i've heard is, that there seem to be less 3v3s, wich is totally true, because when there are only rank 8+s 3v3ing and cwing, there obviously are less peoiple playing 3v3s, than if everyone from rank 6+ is CWing and 3v3ing. what are you guys doing to AW? forcing people ,who want to advance, to play RPs because they need the SP to become rank 8 so they can finally 3v3, being a noob then, wanting to train, but the rank limit is running away from them.

My conclusion is, that RP is a result to rank limits

think about it.

Tirp out, hope you agree

This idea would make sense at first but...
1. rp players start at rank 3-5 they dont care about 3v3s try to go on an alt and make a vs game in begginers it will take longer to fill than 20p rp
2. there are 3v3s for r-6+ 7+ granted not many since there arent many 6+ who are competitve, the truth is there arent many competitve players at all even 8+
alot of them like scenarios and casual games much more.
3.to get more competitve players the cw seasonals should contain some prizes mabe sp,pc or some other ideas
4.ofc players go to the game that has a faster way to sp shy of of farming ive seen alot of competitve players in rp for farm reasons...

there is a much easier way to stop rp noobness just make the game of rp r7+ that way the players wont be as much noobs and they will have to learn in real games first and rank up to rank 7 to play rp.

Disagree. Non-RP players wf turn 1 too. And if we play 3v3 i dont want to have in team a player who puts 15 inf in capital turn one and spawns only tanks or bombers as a west country.

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 02.10.2014 at 15:08

Disagree. Non-RP players wf turn 1 too. And if we play 3v3 i dont want to have in team a player who puts 15 inf in capital turn one and spawns only tanks or bombers as a west country.

see? YOU, you are the problem, too lazy to train someone and tell him, RC sucks, WF turn 1 isnt allowed, and rank 8s should be the only ones playing 3v3s, wich slowly gets people to stop playing 3v3s.

get your fat ass up and train some rank 6

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 15:19

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 02.10.2014 at 15:08

Disagree. Non-RP players wf turn 1 too. And if we play 3v3 i dont want to have in team a player who puts 15 inf in capital turn one and spawns only tanks or bombers as a west country.

see? YOU, you are the problem, too lazy to train someone and tell him, RC sucks, WF turn 1 isnt allowed, and rank 8s should be the only ones playing 3v3s, wich slowly gets people to stop playing 3v3s.

get your fat ass up and train some rank 6

When you were in teh bums who trained your sorry ass? How do you know i never trained players? And rc does suck. When i cw your clan and i pick Turkey, you go ahead and pick rc and prove me im wrong and stop crying like a little pussy

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 02.10.2014 at 16:00

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 15:19

get your fat ass up and train some rank 6

When you were in teh bums who trained your sorry ass? How do you know i never trained players? And rc does suck. When i cw your clan and i pick Turkey, you go ahead and pick rc and prove me im wrong and stop crying like a little pussy

like you trained me in about 2 tws you had together with me while i made hundreds of 3v3s from my rank 6 existance? and had like 10 tws in Empire and more tws in evol with mainly mou?

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 16:12

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 02.10.2014 at 16:00

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 15:19

get your fat ass up and train some rank 6

When you were in teh bums who trained your sorry ass? How do you know i never trained players? And rc does suck. When i cw your clan and i pick Turkey, you go ahead and pick rc and prove me im wrong and stop crying like a little pussy

like you trained me in about 2 tws you had together with me while i made hundreds of 3v3s from my rank 6 existance? and had like 10 tws in Empire and more tws in evol with mainly mou?

I wont keep making a conversation with a stupid kid such as you . Even with hundreds of 3v3 u still suck

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I wont keep making a conversation with a stupid kid such as you . Even with hundreds of 3v3 u still suck

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Geschrieben von Mauzer Panteri, 02.10.2014 at 17:03

I wont keep making a conversation with a stupid kid such as you . Even with hundreds of 3v3 u still suck

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Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 02.10.2014 at 17:07

Geschrieben von Mauzer Panteri, 02.10.2014 at 17:03

I wont keep making a conversation with a stupid kid such as you . Even with hundreds of 3v3 u still suck

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Geschrieben von SQUARED, 02.10.2014 at 18:38

I thought rank limits were mainly due to lack of upgrades?

Not having the upgrades is a huge disadvantage. Maybe with upgrades disabled you could have no rank limit on 3v3s...

with rank 6 you can already have all the upgreades you need

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 18:46

Geschrieben von SQUARED, 02.10.2014 at 18:38

I thought rank limits were mainly due to lack of upgrades?

Not having the upgrades is a huge disadvantage. Maybe with upgrades disabled you could have no rank limit on 3v3s...

with rank 6 you can already have all the upgreades you need

Lies. You cant have all upg u need

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 02.10.2014 at 18:57

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 18:46

Geschrieben von SQUARED, 02.10.2014 at 18:38

I thought rank limits were mainly due to lack of upgrades?

Not having the upgrades is a huge disadvantage. Maybe with upgrades disabled you could have no rank limit on 3v3s...

with rank 6 you can already have all the upgreades you need

Lies. You cant have all upg u need

AT capacity 1, faster inf, expandable inf, naval transport capacity AT capacity 2, can all be done within being rank 6.

or you can let out AT2 and get some other strats, but i didnt have problems fighting rank 8s when i was rank 6

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 02.10.2014 at 18:46

Geschrieben von SQUARED, 02.10.2014 at 18:38

I thought rank limits were mainly due to lack of upgrades?

Not having the upgrades is a huge disadvantage. Maybe with upgrades disabled you could have no rank limit on 3v3s...

with rank 6 you can already have all the upgreades you need

Nah, maybe you have all the upgrades for pd uk or germany, or maybe you have enough for sm ukr or spain, or you have cheaper in, cheaper trans for imp turkey, but at rank 6 you cant have all the strategies and all the relevant upgrades for them. But who am i to talk, i have my anti aircraft fully upgraded

I must agree with Tirp..

The reason some players are converting to RP is cause we do not give them a chance to join a 3v3. I do mine 7-15 sometimes 6-15 if some low rank clanmates are playing.. Another thing I would do is just simply offer them to join my clan since we interclan 3v3.. Let them know before the game starts on what not to pick, also just tell them to play Perfect Defense, Imperialist and ditch Relentless attack.. If the player needs help, help him. I notice many specs that are low ranks ask questions during a 3v3 that are not answered. Stop complaining about RP RP RP so bad!!! and Start helping the low ranks that actually want some attention to learn. The reason why they convert is cause only a few are willing to help.. It's like a needle in a haystack.

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Geschrieben von Tundy, 02.10.2014 at 17:53

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 02.10.2014 at 17:07

Geschrieben von Mauzer Panteri, 02.10.2014 at 17:03

I wont keep making a conversation with a stupid kid such as you . Even with hundreds of 3v3 u still suck

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stop bullying tirp assholes.

skill levels aside,hes right but theres input and improvements required from the admins to competitive gameplay, theres only so much we can do ourselves, making training clans, post guides, take low ranks under our wing, but there has to be more incentives for low ranks to want to play competitively and to improve their gameplay.

theres only so much we can do ourselves.

Geschrieben von Mr_Own_U, 02.10.2014 at 19:21

The reason why they convert is cause only a few are willing to help.. It's like a needle in a haystack.

i actually find it to be the opposite,there are only a few willing to learn. many want to try, but they get raped out of 3v3s a few times and give up going back to whatever maps and scenarios they came from. I find it disheartening when i give particular time to players and they just give up or go inactive. however as always i will always give my time to players who want to learn or who ask for my help. In this i do my part but the admins have much to do too in order to promote competitive play. Competitive play is the backbone of any strategy game.

Why dont you accept the #MakeA3vs3ForRank5Challenge? I remember Fock posting about this in the past...

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how can you expect people to not do rp when its the only thing they've ever really done?

when your a low rank you can't do 3v3 cause of rank limits thus people play rp cause it's a sp farm, but after a while people get hooked doing rp cause it's what they've levelled up playing their entire atwar lives

i mean i LOVE 3v3 but getting into 1 is tough cause of rank limits, sure i might not have the upgrades like faster inf cheaper inf bla bla bla but that doesn't stop me wanting to play and at least being able to hold my own and not let my team down

with rank limits on 3v3's you make people play rp thus you get some truly pathetic rank8's who are no better than a r5 or 6

without a rank limit you get people into 3v3's at a lower rank and without their heads being full as much trash thus it can be easier to explain how things work and you can stop the problem before it becomes a major thing when they become a higher rank, sure there is some issues and it can be annoying trying to explain things to a low rank, but if you get to a player when there low rank and still new it's usually easier to explain and they are more likely to stick with it and by doing this you get more people wanting to 3v3 and thus more people wanting to get into competitive 3v3 thus more CW thus a far more fun game for all

it can be annoying trying to explain some things to a noob but it's far better doing when there new then having to try explain something to a r8 who has spent there entire time playing rp

it's just my thoughts on the matter though, there are a lotta low ranks who want to do 3v3 but never get the chance cause of rank limits is'nt it better to do 3v3 and have a low rank on your team and know to give them advice ect then have a high rank who has no idea what they are doing cause they always used to be below the rank limit to do 3v3 and have teams balanced by rank but horribly miss balanced in ways of skill, therefore creating a horrible stomp and not a very good game?

again these are just my opinion but i believe by removing the rank limit and giving some low ranks a chance it could really help the future of atwar and make for some great new 3v3 players in the future

Geschrieben von 1GodofWar1, 02.10.2014 at 15:08

This idea would make sense at first but...
1. rp players start at rank 3-5 they dont care about 3v3s try to go on an alt and make a vs game in begginers it will take longer to fill than 20p rp
2. there are 3v3s for r-6+ 7+ granted not many since there arent many 6+ who are competitve, the truth is there arent many competitve players at all even 8+
alot of them like scenarios and casual games much more.
3.to get more competitve players the cw seasonals should contain some prizes mabe sp,pc or some other ideas
4.ofc players go to the game that has a faster way to sp shy of of farming ive seen alot of competitve players in rp for farm reasons...

there is a much easier way to stop rp noobness just make the game of rp r7+ that way the players wont be as much noobs and they will have to learn in real games first and rank up to rank 7 to play rp.

Gow, i once played some UN games at rank 5, but that didnt stop me from playing 3v3s, did it?

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Geschrieben von Exo-K, 03.10.2014 at 05:17

i mean i LOVE 3v3 but getting into 1 is tough cause of rank limits, sure i might not have the upgrades like faster inf cheaper inf bla bla bla but that doesn't stop me wanting to play and at least being able to hold my own and not let my team down

Implying low ranks want to learn how to play.
Implying low ranks play RP for fun.
Implying that we can make a difference.

Tripitz, i completely agree with you mate

I agree. Stop making the 8+ pls. At least 6+ or 7+. Other than that train people and encourage lower ranks to host their own 3v3s.

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Geschrieben von Mr_Own_U, 02.10.2014 at 19:21

I must agree with Tirp..

The reason some players are converting to RP is cause we do not give them a chance to join a 3v3. I do mine 7-15 sometimes 6-15 if some low rank clanmates are playing.. Another thing I would do is just simply offer them to join my clan since we interclan 3v3.. Let them know before the game starts on what not to pick, also just tell them to play Perfect Defense, Imperialist and ditch Relentless attack.. If the player needs help, help him. I notice many specs that are low ranks ask questions during a 3v3 that are not answered. Stop complaining about RP RP RP so bad!!! and Start helping the low ranks that actually want some attention to learn. The reason why they convert is cause only a few are willing to help.. It's like a needle in a haystack.

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I agree with Tirp but I believe the problem is much much much more complicated than just rank limits. Rank limits do dissuade more 3v3's by default. When you have 3v3's for r8+ anyone wanting to 3v3 under r8 won't be able to join. So obviously that's non-debatable. Rank limits do in fact harm potential 3v3'ers. Therefore, by default some percentage of players unable to get into 3v3's will play RP instead.

I think the problems stem from a part of the 3v3 community, general assholeness inside people, people unwilling to learn, and the main reason of playing this game.

Back when I was low rank (5-7) I played a lot of UN. I didn't play much 3v3 because my first 2 experiences of playing 3v3 was dreadful. The game didn't even start since I took Sweden on my first try and immediately insults began to be hurled. Second time was no different except that I took RC instead of Sweden. I think the community still has a part of that today. In fact, every competitive 3v3'er has been guilty of treating new players poorly at least one time. I'm guilty of it and every single 3v3'er I know is guilty of it. And by treating poorly I mean players would call the new player some name and leave or kick. Either one, but they basically leave the new player with a bad taste of 3v3. Rank limits also harm potential players looking to enter the 3v3 community.

Another problem is just general assholeness of people. This problem I noticed tends to linger in the mid-ranked players and players who've just started playing 3v3 and aren't good but certainly not a player who is new to 3v3. These types of people I've seen are usually in competitive clans and are being trained by good players but still are unable to compete in high level 3v3's. Generally I've noticed they're around r5-r7 and they make their main objective to belittle and berate new players in 3v3. They tend to rape the new 3v3 player and then trash talk. If tthe new player attempts to stand up for himself, the asshole would immediately challenge a duel, step up the magnitude of insults or both. I've seen it happen mainy times and recently as well. I won't name any of course.

The third problem is people unwilling to learn. Whether they share an enthusiasm of 3v3 for just one day and never again or people who just are too stubborn to listen. In both cases it frustrates the player trying to teach. (i.e. If I'm going to take time off of my own training to teach you something I've worked very hard for to understand, you better damn well listen.) Many of the times the newer player doesn't understand how precious that knowledge is and simply brush it off. In return it's extremely insulting towards the veteran player trying to teach.

The last and arguably most important reason is simply "why". Why would I want to spend my time trying to teach some random stranger the basics of 3v3, who then might or might not do what I say? This is a game after all correct? I came to play the game not teach the game. Why should I go through all the trouble of teaching someone the game of which there is a possibility of that person not even taking his own effort to learn?

Geschrieben von Guest, 04.10.2014 at 22:00

The last and arguably most important reason is simply "why". Why would I want to spend my time trying to teach some random stranger the basics of 3v3, who then might or might not do what I say? This is a game after all correct? I came to play the game not teach the game. Why should I go through all the trouble of teaching someone the game of which there is a possibility of that person not even taking his own effort to learn?

Once you teach this person 3v3 that's an extra competitive player to play with. You're adding to a section of the game that has few people, to the extent that everybody knows everybody's play style. You're gaining potential allies, friends, and clan mates ingame. By teaching even just one person you're ultimately helping your own gaming experience and influencing others to do the same. If each 3v3 player goes to a new player and tell them ''Hey, this is 3v3. Its competitive and fun. This is how you play it, but it needs practice and dedication. Are you up for that?'' I do agree with the possibility of the new player not making an effort or just simply not choosing to play 3v3. But hey, its their decision, at least you've showed him the way to a new gaming type and done what you had to do. Just make sure the player is dedicated to learning before you take him in.

Well apart from teaching, as we already have established in older posts, 3v3's are not for noobs, mediocre players and lazies.The guy who is gonna get hooked on 3v3's is the guy who is "pro" at games in general.That guy, when playing any game, he checks the forum and watches games, to see whats up and improve.These kind of guys are the potential candidates.If someone doesnt even know what countries to pick, it means he havent even spend the time to watch some 3v3's, like most of us did.In that case he doesnt even deserve training.But yeah someone who knows the basics and wants training, im pretty sure he can get it.For every asshole here, there are others willing to share some knowledge.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 05.10.2014 at 06:22

Well apart from teaching, as we already have established in older posts, 3v3's are not for noobs, mediocre players and lazies.The guy who is gonna get hooked on 3v3's is the guy who is "pro" at games in general.That guy, when playing any game, he checks the forum and watches games, to see whats up and improve.These kind of guys are the potential candidates.If someone doesnt even know what countries to pick, it means he havent even spend the time to watch some 3v3's, like most of us did.In that case he doesnt even deserve training.But yeah someone who knows the basics and wants training, im pretty sure he can get it.For every asshole here, there are others willing to share some knowledge.

meh, i got hooked up on 3v3s when i was rank !4! and sure as hell i wasnt that pro after all back then. ofc i couldnt join the rank 6+7+ 3v3s, but i could join a clan (empire) where i got some TWs and i found them awesome. getting rekt wasnt that much fun, but what got me was the possibility to crush anyone else in beginners room and in scenarios. sooner or later people begun calling me an alt because i was an op rank 4.

unfortunalty when i became rank 5, tws became rare and i couldnt join 3v3s. it was horrible, to get crushed by rank 10s because until then, most games i played were in beginners room and now i had to deal with getting kicked from WW2, scenarios even if i picked a small country like Romania or Brazil, just because people didnt want me there. AW wasnt much fun anymore, also because i wasnt even able to join 3v3s.

fortunalty Ordnung (awesome super genorous rank 8 from 2010) gave me his rank 6 account, and i was able to make my own 3v3s from now on, all rank 6+ and AW became fun again.

As you can see, this is a personal quest for me too