IF is OP

Make IF have 2 HP and remove the transport nerf

+2 HP was fine, but nobody used IF until rushka/aristo in tournament, so pls bring it back to that, it's ridiculously OP. With this strat basically whoever gets 1st pick in a 1v1 wins (IF Germany cannot be beat)

>IF Germany cannot be beat
no
try harder noob

Since Iron Fist units are stronger, make them more expensive (so they can have less) +30 cost for all units. Remove transport nerf. Germany IF will be done.

Geschrieben von iStompy, 23.11.2011 at 19:11

>IF Germany cannot be beat
no
try harder noob

Since Iron Fist units are stronger, make them more expensive (so they can have less) +30 cost for all units. Remove transport nerf. Germany IF will be done.

pls try playing it first. also, you weren't here when there was +2 HP, so you wouldn't know...the transport nerf has obviously failed as IF is just an OP faceroll, +2 HP worked pretty well (it surely was not OP, but was not underpowered), so IF should revert back to that.

Cost nerfs never work also, sorry

It was terrible at +2, this is a bad idea, sorry. Why are there multiple threads about this? I'm going to lock the other one and can discuss this here.

I agree, my original proposal for nerfing IF was to remove 1 hp. I still think the tranport nerfs should stay but lessen them.

It was, I used it and I had no problems. The problem was that the other strategies commonly used were too strong, but they have since been fixed. I'm pretty sure it wasn't used correctly like it is now, like I said hardly anyone even knew the 3 wall back then - I'm sure nobody could play IF like they do now and know it was a good strat.

(response to guest in my thread, I dunno why you picked this thread over mine; mine was better explained)


also we both made threads since we were discussing it (I told him to delete his though)

Geschrieben von Guest14502, 23.11.2011 at 19:16

It was terrible at +2, this is a bad idea, sorry. Why are there multiple threads about this? I'm going to lock the other one and can discuss this here.

IF wasn't nearly as developed back then as it is now. Strats change and get better over time (see: GW), also it was fine at +2

Fair point Fruit. When it was at + 2 you got dominated by the other strats, but if they have been sufficiently nerfed now (I'm not saying they have, just if they have) then it could work.

And this one had more posts so I went with it, nothing personal.

I agree, germany IF is far too strong, remove 1 HP and remove the transport nerfs.

Sorry, 2 HP would make it less epic. Just add cost to the units so they learn to value Infantry instead of spamming it all around. 2 HP would make it too similar to Perfect Defense.

Geschrieben von iStompy, 23.11.2011 at 19:29

Sorry, 2 HP would make it less epic. Just add cost to the units so they learn to value Infantry instead of spamming it all around. 2 HP would make it too similar to Perfect Defense.

the point is to make it less epic so it is balanced, cost would not work for IF as it is literally only played in rich areas where cost is not a problem. It would not be like Perfect Defense as it gets bonuses to bombers tanks and destroyers while attacking. I suggest you try playing IF yourself before talking about nerfing it

Geschrieben von iStompy, 23.11.2011 at 19:29

Sorry, 2 HP would make it less epic. Just add cost to the units so they learn to value Infantry instead of spamming it all around. 2 HP would make it too similar to Perfect Defense.

no, HP is a completely different stat...also, aristo, who is the best IF player in the game, agrees on this nerf. I think this should stand.

I have played it, to keep game balance we need a noob filter like this, keep 3 HP so new players can't get around it but nerf cost so old players can exploit their economy and IF players can't just spam.

Geschrieben von Guest, 23.11.2011 at 19:32

Lols, how hilarious to find this thread after I beat VAG with Germany IF.

anyone can play IF germany and win, It's that powerful.

Geschrieben von iStompy, 23.11.2011 at 19:33

I have played it, to keep game balance we need a noob filter like this, keep 3 HP so new players can't get around it but nerf cost so old players can exploit their economy and IF players can't just spam.

yes let's have something a new player cannot get around, sounds like a good plan

I just lost to vaglneer playing germany IF and I was SM spain and got rome, paris, london 1st turn, I also walled rome london same turn, wall glitched them next turn but still got owned. So it's pretty apparent germany IF is op and sixstars didn't have much to do with his "lol funny to see after I win"

Geschrieben von Guest, 23.11.2011 at 19:32

Lols, how hilarious to find this thread after I beat VAG with Germany IF.

i've beaten better people than myself and yourself with IF germany sry. this reason alone makes it OP

Geschrieben von Guest, 23.11.2011 at 19:51

Geschrieben von Aristosseur, 23.11.2011 at 19:48

I just lost to vaglneer playing germany IF and I was SM spain and got rome, paris, london 1st turn, I also walled rome london same turn, wall glitched them next turn but still got owned. So it's pretty apparent germany IF is op and sixstars didn't have much to do with his "lol funny to see after I win"

I dont see how you could loose to Germany IF as SPain SM...You must be terrible. Sorry, that is not possible if you take UK, PAris and Italy first turn.

nope...

over 3 turns, the units capped by neutrals gets even between germany and spain SM. and after those 3 turns, germany will have at least 1k+ more income than SM spain. it's OP and you know it, pls2notchangestratbecuaseyouuseit

Osiris, try playing me as Iron Fist

Actually never mind, I can't use SM to beat Iron Fist, the wall glitch "fix" kills my strategy. So yeah, good solution, nerf Iron Fist.

Not really, gw germany can be beaten. Just killed fruit's IF UK as IF germany.

GW Germany is a disaster of a strategy, it's the lamest attempt GW players had to impose their "Supremacy" before it got nerfed. It was very easy to beat. I didn't even use Iron Fist.

You just said UK's main weakness and the reason why germany wins, argument backfire?

Cool, thanks for the answer we already knew to the question nobody asked; we want it fixed not philosophized.

It's possible to beat Germany IF as UK IF. Cow has beaten me 2-0 as UK. how? The reason why most loose to UK, is because it's to damn easy to predict Uk' movements first turn. try something new for a change. When I playd vs VAGINEER I walled belgium and sent alot of infantry to netherlands. It worked. Read him like an open book.

This is what you said and it's pretty much the reason why germany always beats UK IF. If you lost to cow using UK IF it's because you're a worse player, no surprise there.

Trying something new: Hmmm, I'll get iceland instead from glasgow, it'll be new so it'll work right? There is nothing new to try with UK IF, you can only go for benelux, paris, ireland and possibly denmark, all (except paris and ireland) within the reach of germany, IF or not.
Spain SM even with the 3 major cities (Rome, London, Paris, 1st 2 walled too) cannot win because it's too poor and after that expansion is stalled for it except for uniting the countries, while germany gets even more money from scandinavia, probably will keep benelux, expands into balkans too.
Ukraine starts way to close in the overpowered balkans and cannot win, same for Turkey, though turkey has little more chance because it might be able to get italy. Also I want to see you beating my germany IF if you think it's fine.

Much better to go land troops near hamburg and take empty cities in germany, wall up nederlands and belgium.

Geschrieben von the99percent, 23.11.2011 at 20:43

Much better to go land troops near hamburg and take empty cities in germany, wall up nederlands and belgium.

2nd turn germany has reinforcements all over, they won't be empty when you attack them. also after you get them he'll get them back some turns later when he gets money back from scandinavia and uses balkan units.

Geschrieben von Guest, 23.11.2011 at 20:45

You just made me realize how smart you are, I got fooled by your face.

Read everything before you say something so stupid.

Oh my what an argument.

You still haven't come up with a counter argument, you insult and tell something everyone knows.

Geschrieben von Guest, 23.11.2011 at 20:45

You just made me realize how smart you are, I got fooled by your face.

Read everything before you say something so stupid.

that's no response, just leave the thread if you have nothing to say regarding fixing IF.

It's not if you play right as UK, It's if Germany plays wrong. There is no way to beat a Germany who doesn't mess up while it's IF. GW germany is easily beaten as it's defense is militia and it's starting infantry is weakened meaning worse expansion. (aka GW has been balanced)