Russian diplomat killed in Turkey

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:31

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

#CE#smartestass#iwillvoteforhim#don'thavealbaniancitizenship#kloe will vote for youuu#voteCEforalbaniaordieinhell###

Geschrieben von Guest, 20.12.2016 at 13:43

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:31

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

#CE#smartestass#iwillvoteforhim#don'thavealbaniancitizenship#kloe will vote for youuu#voteCEforalbaniaordieinhell###

you need help. there are institutions for peoples like u

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:53

Geschrieben von Guest, 20.12.2016 at 13:43

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:31

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

#CE#smartestass#iwillvoteforhim#don'thavealbaniancitizenship#kloe will vote for youuu#voteCEforalbaniaordieinhell###

you need help. there are institutions for peoples like u

you can not understand slavic marasm

Geschrieben von Guest, 20.12.2016 at 13:58

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:53

Geschrieben von Guest, 20.12.2016 at 13:43

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:31

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

#CE#smartestass#iwillvoteforhim#don'thavealbaniancitizenship#kloe will vote for youuu#voteCEforalbaniaordieinhell###

you need help. there are institutions for peoples like u

you can not understand slavic marasm

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:53

Geschrieben von Guest, 20.12.2016 at 13:43

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 20.12.2016 at 13:31

And as for others,

the lion wont fall because 1000 chickens want to

#CE#smartestass#iwillvoteforhim#don'thavealbaniancitizenship#kloe will vote for youuu#voteCEforalbaniaordieinhell###

you need help. there are institutions for peoples like u

Also i would like to see you to try to become the new Enver Hoxha,but capitalist one

Geschrieben von Metyu, 20.12.2016 at 10:48

In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. Do not advance relying on sheer military power.
-Sun Tzu

Also don't forget Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO countries

Russia have a hidden factor and that's industrial production spam. Russia is known for bad maybe worst economy but best military economy. For example, if Russian-Turkish War start again, we will start producing MiG-29 and Su-27, they are old, and we will remove alot of parts to make it even cheaper. The only goal is that they need to deliver rockets, nothing more, so in large numbers that is possible although there would be dead pilots. Strong radar, quality materials, long testing not required, so plane will cost $5 million instead $20 million.

Turkey, although have military industrial capabilities, cannot produce fast for the duration of war (few months). Purchasing equipment is also out of question because it is expensive (US and EU are known for expensive weaponry and they can exploit turkish situation to raise the cost).

Turkey have 500,000 active troops, that's one generation, plus reserve (500,000 x 30) 15 million. Russia have 30 million able overall, but only 20 million are listed as reserve, so not big difference. Turkish planes, tanks and rifles are similar technological level as Russian, so that's on-par, no advantage. But because of Russian ability to spam military equipment, it will defeat Turkey on the long run. With heavy casualties on both sides.

First goes the fighter jets to take out Turkish jets, then reserve planes escort bombers to destroy turkish bases, airports and industry, But of course before that tactical missiles destroy turkish ports and navy. That will give Russia superiority and total control of the Black Sea and Turkish airspace, but you still have 15 million infantry. So in order to defeat you, we have to occupy Georgia, go through allied Armenia to attack you, or invade from Crimea, via sea, lets say Sinop or Trabzon. But we lack shipyards, we can't spam ships and boats in quantities like we can spam planes, so we can invade from the sea with limited troops, maybe 5,000 max, of course with escort and protection, or 20,000 without protection, but that's stupid. They can't grab land when there are 15 million enemies, so heavy bombing have to do the work.
Missile attack and bombing of Turkey would last few days, but land invasion would take few months, maybe a whole year. But point is, it will always be 'Russian turn', Turkey can only defend.

But of course Russia and Turkey are different leagues, not fair fight, Russia is a superpower while Turkey is regional power, Russian league is America and China. Turkish league is Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Japan, South Korea.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 20.12.2016 at 10:04

If i have to choose between permanent revolution or permanent militarism, i choose militarism. Because atleast militarism create camps which fight, that mean camp will have order and then go fight the enemy camp, while revolution will destroy the camp, create chaos and anarchy and then go to fight the enemy which will result in definite failure.

Well, says Stalin.
Buenaventura Durruti says somehing different.

On the topic of the assassination, this will do nothing short. Even if this did escalate into conflict, it would make no rational sense. Russia is a regional power that hides behind its nuclear capability.

Now let's say in a world where Russia escalated this into conflict, it would be a slow and painful fall for Moscow. First, Turkey holds Russia hostage with the Bosphorus bridge, a trade center which Southern Russia uses to trade with the world. Not to mention that Turkey is a NATO member, meaning that passage through the Black Sea, much less the Baltics, would be unreliable and also held hostage. Keep in mind that Russia may have resources and an industrial base, but lacks an efficient method of transportation of raw resources and more importantly agriculture through the hostile Siberia.

In short, there is no point of escalating this incident into conflict as it does not yield much benefits, nor would it be a Russian victory. With this, it is much better for Putin to remain warm with Erdogan in hopes of a more stable trade partner than western Europe.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 20.12.2016 at 15:32

Well, says Stalin.
Buenaventura Durruti says somehing different.

Socialism in One Country vs Permanent Revolution
(camp vs camp hopping)

Why my people to go fight for some foreign workers? Why should Russian proletarian liberate Estonian proles who HATE Russians and always cry occupation? No thank you, i'll rather choose to develop my own country and communicate/cooperate with other countries rather than send my people into slaughter.

Stalin created superpower in 25 years, from feudal agrarian country to atomic age. Trotsky traveled whole world and not a single man tried his permanent revolution, they only created guerillas which harassed distant villages.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 21.12.2016 at 09:23

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 20.12.2016 at 15:32

Well, says Stalin.
Buenaventura Durruti says somehing different.

Socialism in One Country vs Permanent Revolution
(camp vs camp hopping)

Why my people to go fight for some foreign workers? Why should Russian proletarian liberate Estonian proles who HATE Russians and always cry occupation? No thank you, i'll rather choose to develop my own country and communicate/cooperate with other countries rather than send my people into slaughter.

Stalin created superpower in 25 years, from feudal agrarian country to atomic age. Trotsky traveled whole world and not a single man tried his permanent revolution, they only created guerillas which harassed distant villages.

Permanent revolution vs. Soviet Imperialism

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/745291/Russia-SHOCK-assassination-Ambassador-Turkey-Putin-Erdogan/amp

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 21.12.2016 at 12:28

Permanent revolution vs. Soviet Imperialism

I admit it was stupid to INSTALL communist parties in Eastern Europe by USSR, because people had to do that, not foreign army. That way it is communist revolution, not regime change. It was also stupid to force them use same system as Soviet, because copy-paste doesn't work.

But Trotskyist 'permanent war-revolution' would colonize whole world, pushing everyone down to the POOR class, not working class, throwing people against people, brothers against brothers and nations against nations. It would use all resources for military production and cut education and other spending, eventually creating 1984 in the world where decimated people are left ignorant speaking half-language and constanly fighting foreigners without knowing why while Trotsky is safe somewhere surrounded with his party enjoying wine and grape like decadent Roman emperor.

Salute Ramon Mercader, good riddance Trotsky.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.12.2016 at 08:45

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 21.12.2016 at 12:28

Permanent revolution vs. Soviet Imperialism

I admit it was stupid to INSTALL communist parties in Eastern Europe by USSR, because people had to do that, not foreign army. That way it is communist revolution, not regime change. It was also stupid to force them use same system as Soviet, because copy-paste doesn't work.

But Trotskyist 'permanent war-revolution' would colonize whole world, pushing everyone down to the POOR class, not working class, throwing people against people, brothers against brothers and nations against nations. It would use all resources for military production and cut education and other spending, eventually creating 1984 in the world where decimated people are left ignorant speaking half-language and constanly fighting foreigners without knowing why while Trotsky is safe somewhere surrounded with his party enjoying wine and grape like decadent Roman emperor.

Salute Ramon Mercader, good riddance Trotsky.

out of curiousity, if you had russia how would you run it?

Geschrieben von Rock Lee, 22.12.2016 at 08:49

out of curiousity, if you had russia how would you run it?

Similar like Putin, 19th century style, no gays, feminism, liberalism, nazism, communism. Have state support of businesses, no malarkey in politics, using insults and accusations like modern West does (Kirby, Nuland, Albright, Condoleza, Clinton, Trump, Johnson), Government cabinet have to behave like 19th century elite, be polite, gentlemenely and ladily, politicians immitating sex on car like Berlusconi will be fired and right to run for politics withdrawn for ever. Politicians with sex scandal like Clinton would be exiled because they stained national dignity and international reputation.

Reduce taxes to 5%, enlarge land people get if they move to the Rospacific from 1 hectare to 20 hectares per person (4 members family get 80 hectaters). Foreigners like Belorusians and Kazakhstanis are eligible to work, live and get land from Russia instanly, Ukrainians eligible only after 10 years work in Russia, in the jobs Russian State order them to, need to have clean record and a family in those 10 years in order to get land and passport.

Concerning foreign politics, i would withdrew embassies with all hostile countries, like Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Sweden, UK, Canada, America, Japan. Cut all contacts with them, but allow Russian citizens to trade with them if they want to, but warn them they will be at the mercy of their 'international' business practice, which mean predatory theft. Cancel all military alliances like ODKB and create only friendly and trade relations with countries that like Russia, like Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, North Korea.

Reduce military to 250,000 - 500,000 volunteers and cut conventional weaponry by 90% while maintain 2000 active nuclear warheads to use on EVERYONE if only 1 NATO soldier cross Russian border.

Thus show the world that we are peaceful and trade oriented nation with weak army who have no intentions to fight and invade, but in the same time have capabilities to destroy this planet if anyone only think about invading us again. If Russia dies, so will the world, it's either we all live, or none.

Nice trick by americans, one of the few I enjoyed, but unfortunately its too little too late. Just like with the Middle East, they created a monster, modern day Turkey, a legit dictatorship with imperialistic tendencies. That's what you get when you let an Islamic country occupy European soil, collaborate with jihadists and piss all over international and rule of, law.

Now Putin is already in bed with Erdogan and a dead ambassador by a CIA paid assassin wont change that. Dead Russian pilot and Turkey attacking Assad didn't change that, why should anyone expect that a simple ambassador can?

Putin is a traitor, worst type of scum in the earth. Americans are also, pissing all over Western alliances by collaborating with Turkey and Gulf/Saudi for so many decades, but we KNEW this. Putin cant claim SHIT highground now, he has no honour, no values, no legitimacy, he is just another weak, cowardly, hypocritical little politician flirting with a 1500 year traditional Islamic enemy, just to show his middle finger to America.

And its no wonder, since Erdogan is copy pasting Putins Russia to his Turkey, the only difference is the religion. Harassment and imprisonment of political opposition, free speech and free expression, control of all information -> legit dictatorships in ALL BUT NAME. You cant sugarcoat the truth.

Turkey has broken most bridges with Europe by now, its so far politically and socially from Europe's values and ideals, that is never coming back. Only Muricans are desperately still trying to keep Turkey close, but its gone by now. Lets see how the new marriage between kebab-hating Russians and slav-conquering Turks goes.


Message to Russians:

This is what your are signing off to:



These humanoids like the one above are the modern citizens of Turkey, immediately going out after the coup failed, to beat up, torture and kill their own fellow countrymen. Like what the hell. Who would do that? Citizen killing citizen, just to support a corrupted, psychopath dictator. Do they even look "human"to you? To me they do not. They certainly remind me of someone, like these guys in the picture below, human only in name, only words, fake, just like Turkey's "democracy".



Yeah that looks like a perfect match. To anyone not knowing, these are Neanderthals, a failed human subspecies, that got recked by us in Europe 50.000 years ago and when i say "ús'' i mean our direct ancestors, the Cro magnons, smarter, more civilized and more evolved. Offcourse they were exterminated and we flourished, because that how evolution is meant to work.


**But you see we reached a point in human history where we let reverse evolution aka devolution, take place and we sit idle watching it and even supporting it, just because of political and financial tactics and maneuvers by the corrupted political elite. This will certainly be our destruction, doubt it not. Western Europe has been feeling it in its own soil for years. Now Germany is feeling it aswell, with jihadist attacks every couple of days and 5 million Turkish immigrants of which 80% is unemployed, feeding off German politically correct beta-omega male taxpayers money and letting the leader of a backwarded Middle Eastern barbarian tribe (Erdogan), blackmail, dictate policy and censor its own media.

What a decline, its surreal. I'm disgusted and feel like throwing up just writing this. Its that time when barbarians are prospering and taking over. Its the moment of total insanity, absurdiness, the time where 100.000 freaking years of empirical evidence through our own history as a species down the drain, a time where all our ancestors, from Cromagnons to Minoans, to Greeks, to Romans, to Mongols and Russian Tsars, all up to Thomas Jefferson, would be rolling in the graves and shattering their own bones and tendons, facepalming their own brain with full force.


Maybe we will wake up and avoid our own destruction. The left and centre-left has betrayed us all. Multiculturalism, neoliberalism, apologism, self hate and guilt and political correctness all forced onto us, shoved in our throats by force, suddenly we feel even metaphorically what females in Muslim societies have been feeling for 1500 years. Real liberals adhering to traditional liberal values and ideals are being persecuted world wide by the new breed of fake-leftists. An ideological salad of fake liberalism, fake anarchism and fake communism, with the right touch of capitalism. And there you have simple minded people calling themselves liberals oppressing freedom of speech and expression through fallacious pseudo-laws, indulging in the worst double standard ever witnessed in history, where the Western people cannot protest against the Islamic virus that is spreading and multiplying in its societies. We are being told to shut up or else, they are silencing the peacefull and encouraging the violent.

Same thing that's happening in this forum aswell, just like most forums and social media sites nowdays, like quora, facebook, twitter and etc. The modern, peacefull, educated European gets shut off and banned for speaking his mind, for telling the truth, for being brave to speak up against injustice, illiteracy and aggression (like khal who was banned) and on the other hand dangerous, homicidal, criminals-to be and usually muslims, who would rape and kill your family in a heartbeat, are free to roam around, spread their hatespeech and propaganda and trying to influence European and American policy directly and indirectly. (like commando eagle)


We are living in hard times brothers. We are living in times where these people, the modern people of Western societies, having fun and enjoying their time in this beautiful earth, peacefully, are being silenced, harassed and made unable to protect their ideals.






And where these people, our friends, the modern "kebabs" and muslims ,(note that kebabs are for the most part the smoothest shade of muslim) are free to speak their minds (unless its anti- government or anti-islam) and make the two superpowers of the planet, compete for its alliance. This how these people treat eachother and how they choose to spend the precious time they have here and somehow the pseudo-liberal cucks, the neoliberals, the fake-wanna be anarchists are ok with it. These are the modern day Turks.






Well, you can have them Russians. They are all yours, enjoy your new friend and don't fret. Being in denial is a comfortable state, but in reality you have more in common with them than you think. You certainly have more in common with muslims in general than with Europeans. Now this new marriage will be interesting to watch. 1 dictator + 1 dictator = ?? . We shall see. Good luck.

Why wont these greek just shut up already? Salty ass losers. Pay your debt first

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.12.2016 at 09:22

-snip-

So basically Imperial Russia with less soldiers and more nukes.

I don't think that worked out that well for them last time.

Geschrieben von International, 24.12.2016 at 08:04

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.12.2016 at 09:22

-snip-

So basically Imperial Russia with less soldiers and more nukes.

I don't think that worked out that well for them last time.

Russians were eager sort to say, enthusiasts, full of energy, led by idealistic students, and sometimes by overworked factory workers (work hours not regulated in that time, industrialization was new, West had child labor, that's how messed up industrialzation was). But energy was lost in WW1 and civil war, then again in WW2, then finally the Russian spirit and back is broken in the 90's when USSR died and predatory capitalism arrived. It stole everything from people; pensions, wages, means of production, healthcare, education, infrastructure.

Now Russians are unwilling to create revolutions again or some meaningful protest like 100 years ago. Today it is different. Kind of same like Germans and Japanese, peaceful little people who only wants privacy and enough money to have happy life. That's why i believe 19th century politics and economy would work. Well, 19th century economics and 20th century politics, women have right to vote, so not 19th cent.

Geschrieben von blond pony, 23.12.2016 at 06:08

Liberal rage

Not confirmed, but i've heard rumors we're sending buses to Pakistan, Iran and Iraq, so migrants can reach Europe faster.

Sigh.. i love Putin... destabilizing Europe more efficiently than Catherine the Great.

Everyone wins, Migrants (capital M) gets living standard, make space in their country of origin by leaving (so less polluting), and Europe becomes occupied with domestic problems and unable to invade Russia again.

When we tried to dismantle Turkish Empire, you allied Turkey and send half of Europe to fight in Crimea, beat us and order us to destroy Black Sea fleet, thus making Turkey survive 70 more years, occupying 1/5 of Europe. So today, West Europe mock Balkan for its poverty and wars while ENCOURAGING suffering there by supporting its occupator for centuries.

Ok, so now we ally Turkey, how do you like that Franz? You saved them once, now our turn, and we will send muslims to live in your countries now. Russia have 20 million muslims and 11 million immigrants, now your turn Europe, i'll cheer for you. Cry me some more injustice.