Greek theatre in EU parlament

Geschrieben von Guest, 13.03.2016 at 17:13

Meanwhile croat and tito(new indentity Del Boy) hugging each other and enjoying the show

fixed for ya*

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 15:58

I'm not as retarded as Fuehrer is, I'm pointing out something: There are debates whether Columbus was Portuguese, Genoan or Spanish.

You can't call it a debate. There are a few "hypothesis", stated by a couple people, nothing else. It is globally accepted that he's from Genoa. For god's sake, there's even the hypothesis that Columbus were from Norway!! Why not stating that he's from norway then?

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 13.03.2016 at 17:20

Now you want to unite these warring states and open their borders. I wonder how will that end.

That will never happen... for good or for worse, but it won't ever happen. 110% sure. We don't trust each other, we don't feel the union, we feel the love for our own countries and the hate for some others too damn strongly.

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 13.03.2016 at 18:06

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 15:58

I'm not as retarded as Fuehrer is, I'm pointing out something: There are debates whether Columbus was Portuguese, Genoan or Spanish.

You can't call it a debate. There are a few "hypothesis", stated by a couple people, nothing else. It is globally accepted that he's from Genoa. For god's sake, there's even the hypothesis that Columbus were from Norway!! Why not stating that he's from norway then?

We still gave an equal, if not bigger contribute than Spain to the World

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 13.03.2016 at 19:14

We still gave an equal, if not bigger contribute than Spain to the World

You influenced a culture, we created a new country (Belguim / Netherland). We moved armies, you moved slaves. GG. Don't be so patriotic, at least you influenced more than Andorra, that's a win XD

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 13.03.2016 at 20:03

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 13.03.2016 at 19:14

We still gave an equal, if not bigger contribute than Spain to the World

You influenced a culture, we created a new country (Belguim / Netherland). We moved armies, you moved slaves. GG. Don't be so patriotic, at least you influenced more than Andorra, that's a win XD

technically, the only country you created were the Netherlands. Belgium was created in 1830 as an independent state.

And the Portuguese Empire former territories are part of 50 countries today, and we created other countries that still exist today, I guess that's a valid point.

At least we can proudly say we lasted more as a World power than you did, considering after the Spanish War of Succession, you got severely weakened and by 1803 you had almost no strenght, like Portugal :3

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 13.03.2016 at 20:14

technically, the only country you created were the Netherlands. Belgium was created in 1830 as an independent state.
And the Portuguese Empire former territories are part of 50 countries today, and we created other countries that still exist today, I guess that's a valid point.
At least we can proudly say we lasted more as a World power than you did, considering after the Spanish War of Succession, you got severely weakened and by 1803 you had almost no strenght, like Portugal :3

Ok, then take a look at how many countries did Spain visit. I won't count them... and I don't care how many of your countries are simply islands or you only conquered a city in each of those 50 countries.
Yeah... sure... a "power"... aha... in which aspect? What was your "power" based on? Money? Army? Navy? Then why didn't you have a more significant role in history? Oh right... cause there were always true powers in charge... not Portugal. Come on... when did any country fear you or treat you as a power? I don't know what you understand by a "world power". For instance, Spain was a power from Carlos I to Felipe and not much more. After the Spanish Armada did such public embarasment, we were no one. That was a true world power, not what you consider to be a power.

After balkan flamewars, im proud to announce we just gave birth to iberian flamewars

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 14.03.2016 at 07:51

After balkan flamewars, im proud to announce we just gave birth to iberian flamewars

portugal>catalonia m8 , oh and kosovo is spanish btww d

Geschrieben von Ghostface, 14.03.2016 at 08:29

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 14.03.2016 at 07:51

After balkan flamewars, im proud to announce we just gave birth to iberian flamewars

portugal>catalonia m8 , oh and kosovo is spanish btww d

Agreed!
(We're lucky that no actual proud catalonian is reading this, even if it is a jk )

Ancient Greeks were never feared nor did they dominate anyone. They weren't what you'd call a "world power". However, their contribution to history was perhaps greater than any other nation's, undoubtedly. Contribution to history doesn't only come from an iron fist. Portugal helped spread European culture far and wide, and similtaniously spread foreign cultural aspects to Europe. Portugal was the spiritual capital of exploration, and the Spanish were inspired by the Portuguese to start theirs.

Geschrieben von Zephyrusu, 14.03.2016 at 09:24

Ancient Greeks were never feared nor did they dominate anyone. They weren't what you'd call a "world power". However, their contribution to history was perhaps greater than any other nation's, undoubtedly. Contribution to history doesn't only come from an iron fist. Portugal helped spread European culture far and wide, and similtaniously spread foreign cultural aspects to Europe. Portugal was the spiritual capital of exploration, and the Spanish were inspired by the Portuguese to start theirs.

What? I do not think Khal nor spartans agree with your words... they were quite feared. Sparta was a militar power meanwhile Athens was an intelectual and cultural power. Anyway, I didn't say that to be a power you need to be stronger than your neighbours, but to be respected at the very least and considered in international relationships and similar political stuff. Read again:

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 13.03.2016 at 21:02

Yeah... sure... a "power"... aha... in which aspect? What was your "power" based on? Money? Army? Navy?

So... what was portugal's power based on? I do not mean to understimate the influence they might have had in bringing asian products but... is there anything else? Cause that doesn't make one a power or else Spain would be god for being responsible for bringing american products to Europe and european products to america.

Actually, I feel like Portugal were quite closed minded. Just in case you didn't know, Columbus actually offered his project to the king of Portugal before heading to Spain. Guess what, Portugal rejected it since they were already working on going around Africa and felt like Columbus idea was not good enough. They lost a freaking huge opportunity of exploration, which Spain obviously accepted and took advantage of. Not so much of an spirite of exploration there, they were simply greedy... they had no lands, no army, nothing to achieve in Europe, so they centered their efforts in comercial routes. But, comparing the rute they found, around Africa, to the route Columbus found, America, the later one wins.

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 13.03.2016 at 21:02

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 13.03.2016 at 20:14

technically, the only country you created were the Netherlands. Belgium was created in 1830 as an independent state.
And the Portuguese Empire former territories are part of 50 countries today, and we created other countries that still exist today, I guess that's a valid point.
At least we can proudly say we lasted more as a World power than you did, considering after the Spanish War of Succession, you got severely weakened and by 1803 you had almost no strenght, like Portugal :3

Ok, then take a look at how many countries did Spain visit. I won't count them... and I don't care how many of your countries are simply islands or you only conquered a city in each of those 50 countries.
Yeah... sure... a "power"... aha... in which aspect? What was your "power" based on? Money? Army? Navy? Then why didn't you have a more significant role in history? Oh right... cause there were always true powers in charge... not Portugal. Come on... when did any country fear you or treat you as a power? I don't know what you understand by a "world power". For instance, Spain was a power from Carlos I to Felipe and not much more. After the Spanish Armada did such public embarasment, we were no one. That was a true world power, not what you consider to be a power.

We were a world power between 1440's,with the discovery of Azores and the conquest of various african cities/Morocco (1470's) that controlled rich routes (I guess under your criteria we could base that superpower status based on Money, and until 1521's until the death of King Manuel I, 1415-1525/1540's can be considered the peak of the Portuguese Empire, when we were the european power at the frontline.
Also, when you say no country feared us as a power, that's not entirely true, we allied the Congo Kingdom, because they feared us and in 1725-1750's we defeated several times the Persians and Marathans and achieved Naval superiority in the Indian Ocean...but then Britain came along.

If you did not know, we did not conquer only cities, altough conquered cities were a vast majority, because the conquest of a city instantly meant the conquest of a 'reasonable' big territory around it (Goa can be an example and so can Bahrein and Qatar, which we conquered at some time).

A bit out of debate here, did you know there were 3 Portuguese Kings of the Burma Kingdom of Pegu? (and two others I forgot the name), also we had some cities in Thailand.


I know Portugal wasn't a big superpower like England for instance, but I think it is wrong to put both Portugal and Spain on unequal levels, or at least very unequal levels because both countries gave enourmous contributes and influenced immensely world history.

Geschrieben von Ghostface, 14.03.2016 at 08:29

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 14.03.2016 at 07:51

After balkan flamewars, im proud to announce we just gave birth to iberian flamewars

portugal>catalonia m8 , oh and kosovo is spanish btww d

never,i kill you,
From whole history,its Serbian and all people know it. We were defending whole Europe from ottomans o nthat lands.............

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 14.03.2016 at 14:42

We were a world power between 1440's,with the discovery of Azores and the conquest of various african cities/Morocco (1470's) that controlled rich routes (I guess under your criteria we could base that superpower status based on Money, and until 1521's until the death of King Manuel I, 1415-1525/1540's can be considered the peak of the Portuguese Empire, when we were the european power at the frontline.
Also, when you say no country feared us as a power, that's not entirely true, we allied the Congo Kingdom, because they feared us and in 1725-1750's we defeated several times the Persians and Marathans and achieved Naval superiority in the Indian Ocean...but then Britain came along.
If you did not know, we did not conquer only cities, altough conquered cities were a vast majority, because the conquest of a city instantly meant the conquest of a 'reasonable' big territory around it (Goa can be an example and so can Bahrein and Qatar, which we conquered at some time).
A bit out of debate here, did you know there were 3 Portuguese Kings of the Burma Kingdom of Pegu? (and two others I forgot the name), also we had some cities in Thailand.
I know Portugal wasn't a big superpower like England for instance, but I think it is wrong to put both Portugal and Spain on unequal levels, or at least very unequal levels because both countries gave enourmous contributes and influenced immensely world history.

Okey, you're just repeating what I already knew: you had some comercial routes during a determined amount of time. Fine, that made you a bit wealthy, but nothing compared to other european true powers. For instance, England and Spain.

How can you compare Congo to an european country....? XDDDDD come on, shame on you!! Of course a country with no real weapons feared you!! The persians were nothing at those years... and your naval superiority was only evident around under developed countries with no european presence. Good for you.

I still think you're making a huge mistake when comparing what Spain once was to what Portugal once was. But whatever, if your nationalist pride will feel better, think what you like

I'm still waiting to hear your definition for a "power".

Geschrieben von Zephyrusu, 14.03.2016 at 09:24

Ancient Greeks were never feared nor did they dominate anyone. They weren't what you'd call a "world power". However, their contribution to history was perhaps greater than any other nation's, undoubtedly. Contribution to history doesn't only come from an iron fist. Portugal helped spread European culture far and wide, and similtaniously spread foreign cultural aspects to Europe. Portugal was the spiritual capital of exploration, and the Spanish were inspired by the Portuguese to start theirs.

He answered for me, @Raul

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 14.03.2016 at 18:07

I'm still waiting to hear your definition for a "power".

Fappy and Raul are making Portugal and Spain the new Balkans

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 14.03.2016 at 18:25

I already answered him, pls read my answer if you're so kind. Until next answer

Geschrieben von Viruslegion, 14.03.2016 at 18:26

Fappy and Raul are making Portugal and Spain the new Balkans

I always knew that the forum needed a new plot twist!

Geschrieben von RaulPB, 14.03.2016 at 19:17

Geschrieben von Al Fappino, 14.03.2016 at 18:25

I already answered him, pls read my answer if you're so kind. Until next answer

Ima answer it tommorrow, the lil Portuguese needs sleep now

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

first of all, you stated, how germany was involved in ruining the middle east, etc. etc. wich is not true, anyone who was born before 2000 should know, that germany didnt participate in the iraq wars, together with germany, while the rest of the EU did. and we never set a foot into syria either, simply because syria is nothing we ever cared about, because, why would we. also, the german army is a small restricted army in a horrible condition anyways, even if we wanted to, we couldnt fuck anything up :S.

"In Syria, Germany and other major powers have provided all sides with weapons for years, even poison gas, while repeatedly rejecting peace negotiations unless Assad is eliminated, an impossible condition for any true efforts. The worst killer in the region, ISIS, has constantly exported oil (and valuable antique objects) via that friendly Western (#Berlin-AnkaraAxis2016) ally Turkey, now carrying out a merciless bombing campaign against left-wing Kurdish groups, far and away the most effective force in fighting ISIS.

Main sources of ISIS weapons, it is clear, have been Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, close US-allies, who also use them to fight Saudi's chosen new foes, the Houthis, destroying much of Yemen in the process. They, in turn, were supplied for years by just those western countries which complain most loudly about ISIS cruelty. While the USA is the main supplier, Germany has also sold them arms worth billions. In February and March it sold huge amounts of ammo and spare parts for tanks and ground-air missile equipment. In April came the OK for 100 drones, radio equipment and tank replacement parts. Rifles dropped by Saudi planes over Aden to fight the Houthis were products of the famous firm Heckler & Koch, which is ably represented in the Bundestag by Volker Kauder, a recipient of its constant election contributions, and who is a main supporter of arms sales, especially from Heckler & Koch, as well as head of Merkel's party caucus in the Bundestag since 2005, a top position.

Is a suspicion of hypocrisy fully misplaced?"

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

the second point, how europe, according to you, installed a fourth reich in the ukraine is obviously made up, we exclusively gave money to a democratically elected governement. besides, russian seperatists in the ukraine who are russian soldiers in disguise arent really that peaceful either.

What is made up? And what is a democratically elected government? Is it made up that Europe contributed and supported the illegitimate and unconstitutional removal of a president and proceeded to install a pro-Western one? One filled with neo-nazis and neo fascists who venerate war time nazi collaborators and pogromists? One whose seven ministers were directly tied to fascist groups. Is this on par with European ideals? What does this say about the European parliament's stance against the Golden Dawn's MEP (the op)?

Is this hypocritical enough for you?

Do you hear in your news about the Western backed Ukranian government's arson attacks on the homes and offices of elected communist leaders, or the integration of the fascist sector into the national guard? Do you hear about the anti-semitism and white supremacism of the government's ultra-nationalists?

Do you think EU and US had any grounds whatsoever to interfere and get involved in the politics of a closely related neighbor of Russia, who werent even a member of Nato? Under what pretext?
Same applies to IMF and ECB.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

next country on your list is cyprus, and i have to be honest, i am surprised you bring up a war from 1974 in a country that joined the EU 2004, three decades later. Even if cyprus had been in the EU, the EU is not a militairy union, unlike the nato and turkey is a member of the nato, wich no eu countries wont declare war on, because most eu states are members of the nato anyways and luxemburg wont declare war on the USA. besides, the us had a un mandate, but i'm not going to claim, that anything the US has ever done was right, they fucked up some stuff pretty badly.

Its not about the war, its about the illegal occupation under international law, of a European member state by a foreign NON European hostile country, practically amounting to illegal occupation of European Union territory ever since Cyprus became its member. Turkish illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus has never been recognized by anyone in the whole world as a sovereign state, except Turkey.

What did the European institutions did to protect the territorial integrity of its fellow member state? Jack shit. Its never about the union, its always about the money. Turkey is a good business partner, who cares about values, laws and useless papers.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

ok, yea, we prefer albania and macedonia over greece simply because we hate greece

I used the words "pipelines", "interests", "corporations" and you concluded "hate greece"? Restart your logic.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

okay, and now you claim that germany and france were the first ones who broke the most basic economic rules to join the eurozone, when greece JOINED the eurozone with faked data and was breaking these rules from the start, while germany started breaking the rules in 2008 when the economy crisis started.

First of all this is not a competition ( calling my government corrupted is not an insult but an undisputed fact hue) For me its became about demolishing that arrogant stance and false illusion of grandieur and supposed moral superiority of Germans and expose their hypocrisy. That being said, about the faked data http://www.theguardian.com/global/2012/apr/26/greece-europe-north-south-divide

and also a correction, Germany broke the rules (herself imposed) in 2003, not 2008.

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

yea, bring up war reperations from a war that happend 75 years ago, you know, greece actually never paid the ottomanes for destroying their empire, you know how many ottomanes were killed during the greek war for independence? you know how many persians were killed in alexander the greates campaign to destroy one of the most advanced empires of its time? you still didnt pay any war reperations to persia, you asshole.

Damn well i will. The precise number will be 154 billion euros. You owe it, pay up.

Speaking of...did you know that Germany, who now lectures and tortures Greece, is the single biggest debt defaulter of the 20th century? Kind of funny. Hehe.

Famous German Professor Albrecht Ritschl of the LSE conducted a brilliant research on the matter.

"Ritschl looked in detail at the financial assistance that was paid to Germany after the war under
the Marshall Plan, in which the US gave $17 billion - around $160 billion in today's values - in
economic support to help rebuild European economies. He showed that while the transfers were
tiny, the cancellation of debts was worth as much as four times the country's entire economic
output in 1950 and laid the foundation for Germany's fast post-war recovery
He showed how this strategy was fuelled by a desire of the United States to avoid the mistakes
made by the European Allies after World War I. The reparations imposed on Germany under the
Treaty of Versailles, which had required Germany to pay 132 billion gold marks ($33 billion),
contributed to a plunge in the German currency and hyperinflation and brought economic misery
to German households.
The US intervened to end the crisis and repackage the reparations. It drew up a new reparations
plan that staggered the payments and lent Germany 800 million marks. This stabilised the
currency but led to the US indirectly funding Germany's reparations to Europe. Released from its
financial burden, the German economy then resurged strongly.
However, after the Wall Street Crash of 1929, the US demanded full repayment of its loans to
Germany. Ritschl showed that austerity policies imposed on Germany pushed it into the Great
Depression and sovereign debt default. The German government cut state spending, wages and
unemployment pay. Unemployment rose to 6 million. Ultimately this severe depression paved the
way for the rise of the Nazis.
Although debt relief under the Marshall Plan was only intended to be provisional until the
reunification of Germany, the debt relief was not in fact cancelled when unification occurred in
1990. According to Ritschl's estimates, Germany's World War II debts nearly equalled its gross
domestic product (total amount of economic output) for 1938, the last pre-war year.

In a telling comparison Ritschl showed that the debts racked up by the struggling Eurozone
economies - Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain - were equal in size to Germany's current
gross domestic product. In other words, debt cancellation for the Eurozone would be equivalent to
the debts that were cancelled by the Allies after World War II.

Famous French proffesor Thomas Piketty seems to agree aswell

"after the war ended in 1945, Germany's debt amounted to over 200% of its GDP. Ten years later, little of that remained: public debt was less than 20% of GDP. Around the same time, France managed a similarly artful turnaround. We never would have managed this unbelievably fast reduction in debt through the fiscal discipline that we today recommend to Greece… Think about the London Debt Agreement of 1953, where 60% of German foreign debt was cancelled and its internal debts were restructured."




p.s. loled at this tho, hue "you still didnt pay any war reperations to persia, you asshole."

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

just look at how your gdp almost tripled since the introduction of the euro, please, stop, just stop.
so, you just called a german or germany as a whole a hypocrite for doubling your gdp, hypocrite

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

anyways, back to what you mentioned first, that you are being flooded by immigrants, it's just the result of greece being unwilling to cooperate with anyone else

Ok now its getting to the point where your ignorance and motivational reasoning is getting on my nerves. You made an accusation, back it up with facts or gtfo.

I on the other hand, believe thats its just the result of a combination of reasons including

-Big European powers meddling with Middle Eastern politics (sending money and guns to terrorist organizations in Syria and not only, supporting Saudi, Turkey and branches of al qaida in Syria, deposing Gadafi who kept the immigrant routes under control and so on, so on)
-preaching a utopian liberal democratic heaven open to foreigners and Germany openly inviting refugees and promising entry and jobs (which later denied)
-denying entry into Central and NorthWestern Europe to refugeesa nd immigrants, keeping them landlocked in Greece and sending back to Greece the ones who pass through ( a practice thats been taking place many years in my country, it didnt just magically started now, but how would you know living in your Prussian bubble)
-countries randomly closing their borders and building walls
-EU threatening to kick Greece out of Shengen if it doesnt make the refugges "dissapear" while letting Turkey blackmail her and illegally send thousands of refugees everyday, a large percentage of whom die before they even reach Greece
-EU not providing adequate supplies, personel, funds to Greece and Italy, for short term problem handling
-EU not taking the necessary decisions as a unified entity regarding policy and a long term (or even short term) solution to the problem

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

, it could just close its borders now, but before that, greece just sent the immigrants foreward, its not really anyone elses fault.

Close the borders and then what? Send them back to die? Or keep them in, trapped, to die of starvation, thirst, disease, cold? What exactly do you suggest?


But, but, but you implied a moral high ground, but what about this

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

and you are complaining about germany not actively drowning them in the mediterrean sea, wich i am just going to assume is your solution to the problem.

So, is this my solution, or yours? Which is it, speak up.

Apperantly, Human Rights Watch (HRW) disagrees with you, it said the Greece-Macedonia border closure and Austria's controversial decision to impose a daily cap on asylum applications showed the EU's "utter failure" to respond to the crisis.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/01/eu/balkans/greece-border-curbs-threaten-rights

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

besides, germany accepted 1 million refugees while greece has about a few thousand, we actually cleaned up the mess we made

A few thousand? Why do you open your mouth if you know nothing of the subject, Why? If they are only a "few thousand" why did the EU council gathered to discuss and decided for the relief (refugee relocation) of the most heavily burdened countries, Greece and Italy? Every refugee coming to the North is passing from Greece first and only if he is lucky, doees he get to continue his travels to the North.



More than two millions passed through Greece the last year and around a million is spread around. Our islands always have between 5000-50000 at all times, our ports are blocked and tourists are mass cancelling their reservations. WHAT MESS DID YOU CLEAN? How do you expect we pay our debts, if our main source of income, tourism, gets wrecked because you wanted cheap labour force for your industrial corporations? Own up to your mistakes and assume your responsibilities spineless cowards.

Specifically this

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

we actually cleaned up the mess we made

im gonna remember this as there are speculations for as much as 10 million more "refugees". Watch and see, one year from now im going to dig up for this quote.



Meanwhile, in USA

Geschrieben von Zephyrusu, 14.03.2016 at 09:24

Ancient Greeks were never feared nor did they dominate anyone. They weren't what you'd call a "world power". However, their contribution to history was perhaps greater than any other nation's, undoubtedly. Contribution to history doesn't only come from an iron fist. Portugal helped spread European culture far and wide, and similtaniously spread foreign cultural aspects to Europe. Portugal was the spiritual capital of exploration, and the Spanish were inspired by the Portuguese to start theirs.

If you just modify your first sentence for which this guy or this guy among others, might disagree, youll get my upvote and at the same time be historically accurate


As for the Spain vs Portugal ill stay away just like i do with the Serbia vs Croatia..keep it up!

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 14.03.2016 at 20:29

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WOW impressive argument! You know about this.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 14.03.2016 at 19:52

came just to upvote khal !

I think the only contribution portugal gavr to the world is cristiano ronaldo.

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 15.03.2016 at 13:28

I think the only contribution portugal gavr to the world is cristiano ronaldo.

Then you're more ignorant than ever imaginable.

Geschrieben von Oleg, 15.03.2016 at 12:28

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 14.03.2016 at 19:52

came just to upvote khal !

Why does it matter what ethnicity you have, what religion you believe in, manners of your culture or anything more? Isn't it the actions of individuals which should count? I find this racewar becoming pretty boring to be honest. Its all people talk about? Its pretty sickening.

I mean Greece and Turkey are much alike, maybe they have a different religion, but they have the same daily things, both have a great history, and both are nice countries for tourism and to probably live in, even when greece has debts, if it can overcome the crisis every country has been effected by.

There is no need to pull up the racecard everytime.

Geschrieben von Waffel, 15.03.2016 at 16:44

*Lefty crying*

Turkish history 101

Rape, murders, torture. more rape,genocide, more rape, kidnapping of white children, raping children.................and so on and so on, such a great history and culture that is.

Same goes for arabs and all muslims pretty much, also to think all humans as equal is idiotic, we may disagree on who is superior or inferior but its evident we arent equal.

Geschrieben von Evic, 15.03.2016 at 17:40

Same goes for arabs and all muslims pretty much

I think you shouldn't generelize too much about such big topic... muslims have brought some scientific knowledge to Europe as well, not only wars and rapes. Let's try to be fair at least