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Geschrieben von Unleashed, 27.03.2014 at 13:51

Geschrieben von Guest, 27.03.2014 at 12:58

Heaven motivates us to not be prostitues

Just like you get paid by the state to do its dirty work (you are the state's hoe), so should a woman be paid for sex if she chooses to. You don't see anything wrong with men being paid by the state to kill. But you believe it's wrong to be paid for something as inoffensive as sex? LOL
There's nothing wrong with prostitution. It's the one thing that the state cannot tax, so they outlawed it. Besides, a prostitute is more respectable than the average american woman who expects men to pay for her "just because", even though she has equal pay rights. The prostitute is less hypocritical.

Geschrieben von Guest, 27.03.2014 at 12:58

and if I do good I get a reward of having peace in Heaven.

Your life is a lie.

Pretty sure it is not. And not many people would not mind it if they found out their relatives are prostitutes. Prostitutes can break up families.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 27.03.2014 at 13:08

Geschrieben von Guest, 27.03.2014 at 12:58

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 27.03.2014 at 08:26

Geschrieben von Guest, 27.03.2014 at 08:19

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 27.03.2014 at 04:29

And once again you evade my question

What exactly do you expect to gain by going around faking it and acting like god is real and loves everyone?

What I gain is morale, I treat others fairly and be a better person. This is what Christinanity was meant to do, make you a better person.

LOL. If you need an old dusty book to teach you to treat others well then we are truly a sad species. Besides, you're doing it for the wrong reason: you're treating people good to get to heaven. No. You should treat people good because you want to. Assuming they don't harm or annoy you in any way.

" But unleashed, ur are bad rude evil person"

I treat people who are close to me better than you will ever be treated by anyone. I don't need a retarded lie disguised as religion to teach me that.

Heaven motivates us to not be prostitues, murderers and theives. And I do treat people good, and if I do good I get a reward of having peace in Heaven. You're half right, we do good because we want to and don't feel like going to Hell.

whats wronk with being a prostitute?Its a job like any other and plus they dont scam people.Explain me how being a lawyer defending killers,being a wall street guy stealing money or being a paid soldier,killing people who you dont even know,is better?
If im not mistaken in your 10 comandments..that someone heard..million years ago..when he was in a mountain..alone..by a manly voice..anyway there, is "you shall not kill" and not "you shall not have sex".so?rascist?

A soldier is meant to defend his country, or attack rogue states. God wouldn't be mad at you if you had to kill enemy soldiers since you were told to. The ''You Shall Not Kill'' commandment means not to murder innocent people.

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 01:18

God wouldn't be mad at you if you had to kill enemy soldiers since you were told to. T

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 01:16

Pretty sure it is not. And not many people would not mind it if they found out their relatives are prostitutes. Prostitutes can break up families.

Pretty sure it is, everything you do is based on a lie. And if it's not, then you are not a christian. It's one of those situations: fucked if you do, fucked if you don't. Same for muslims, if you don't follow the quran exactly, you are not a muslim, just a wanna-be. If you're a muslim, you are a murderer, since quran asks you to kill nonbelievers.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 01:19

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 01:18

God wouldn't be mad at you if you had to kill enemy soldiers since you were told to. T

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

u r so funneh

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 03:48

u r so funneh

Dude? Are you out of arguments again? What's wrong?

So are you a christian or not? If yes, you are living a lie

If you say you're not living a lie, then you are not a christian. Make up your mind.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 04:09

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 03:48

u r so funneh

Dude? Are you out of arguments again? What's wrong?

So are you a christian or not? If yes, you are living a lie

If you say you're not living a lie, then you are not a christian. Make up your mind.

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 05:59

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Religions are manufactured lies. God doesn't exist. You have imaginary friends, sign of mental ilness. Oh, excuse me, am I going AH again? Well it's the fucking truth so deal with it. Peace out

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 06:15

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 05:59

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Religions are manufactured lies. God doesn't exist. You have imaginary friends, sign of mental ilness. Oh, excuse me, am I going AH again? Well it's the fucking truth so deal with it. Peace out

You didn't succesfully back up your claims. So I too, peace out. We have achieved nothing arguing.

With all this talking about religion in here: you guys should read Nietzsche, Immanuel Kant, and their books.

and maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism thats waht i am, and it's the reason why i don't need to talk about religion in my opinion

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 06:15

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 05:59

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Religions are manufactured lies. God doesn't exist. You have imaginary friends, sign of mental ilness. Oh, excuse me, am I going AH again? Well it's the fucking truth so deal with it. Peace out

A lie is an intentional deception.
A particular religion may be a manufactured lie, but it is argumentatively irresponsible to call all religions manufactured lies.
Dogmatically, you may believe the proposition that "all religions are manufactured lies"; by doing so you lose the claim to any rational basis for this assertion. A claim from dogma is like a religious claim - "my statement is true because I believe it to be true".

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:36

A particular religion may be a manufactured lie, but it is argumentatively irresponsible to call all religions manufactured lies.

Hmm. You are right, I can't say that. I was mainly reffering to the two big main religions that successfully brainwashed the majority of the population of this world. You know them

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 13:44

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:36

A particular religion may be a manufactured lie, but it is argumentatively irresponsible to call all religions manufactured lies.

Hmm. You are right, I can't say that. I was mainly reffering to the three big main religions that successfully brainwashed the majority of the population of this world. You know them

Did you just admit making an error in logic, and/or judgment?
ATHEIST!

Do you mean nationalism, communism and consumerism?

Edit: Since you changed it to two, I'll choose ...

Hope and Fear.

Hope is of course the stronger of the two. Without Hope, the Concentration Camps of yesteryear would need many many more troops to guard them. With no hope, you charge the walls, no matter how great your fear.

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:36

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 06:15

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 05:59

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Religions are manufactured lies. God doesn't exist. You have imaginary friends, sign of mental ilness. Oh, excuse me, am I going AH again? Well it's the fucking truth so deal with it. Peace out

A lie is an intentional deception.
A particular religion may be a manufactured lie, but it is argumentatively irresponsible to call all religions manufactured lies.
Dogmatically, you may believe the proposition that "all religions are manufactured lies"; by doing so you lose the claim to any rational basis for this assertion. A claim from dogma is like a religious claim - "my statement is true because I believe it to be true".

not really tho.all religions are opinions,if you want to add them to a debate with theories that scientists come up with,you have to make them theories.Theories have a basis in forms of evidence and that makes them theories.They still need to be prooven though to become fact.But even as theories they cannot be even compared to some nonsense where the only form of evidence are some ancient books writen by who the hell knows and where theese very books acceptance by people was acompanied by death and torture.No not supspicious at all.

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:50

Did you just admit making an error in logic, and/or judgment?
ATHEIST!

Do you mean nationalism, communism and consumerism?

Unlike the majority of people, I admit my mistakes. I even made one in the previous post, I meant the two big religions, the third one (catholicism) actually being a subset of christianity.

I can't say all of them are lies because I haven't studied them all, and I can't even have disdain for something like Buddhism for example. In fact, I will admit right now, I was wrong. Buddhism is founded on the teachings of Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). Awakening, Enlightenment and awareness are very real and they are what Buddha preached, so therefore I cannot say all religions are based on lies. And it's what Jesus also meant all along, but they got misinterpreted, misused, and then we have what I've been saying all along, religion used for mass control etc.

So, I will rephrase: Christianity and all of its subcategories or whatever they are called, together with islam, are manufactured lies, designed to scare and control primitive people. No rational human being in the 21st century should fall for such bullshit.

Thx.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 28.03.2014 at 13:55

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:36

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 06:15

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 05:59

I'm not living a lie. It is starting to sound like you are though. And you're the one who was out of arguments.

Religions are manufactured lies. God doesn't exist. You have imaginary friends, sign of mental ilness. Oh, excuse me, am I going AH again? Well it's the fucking truth so deal with it. Peace out

A lie is an intentional deception.
A particular religion may be a manufactured lie, but it is argumentatively irresponsible to call all religions manufactured lies.
Dogmatically, you may believe the proposition that "all religions are manufactured lies"; by doing so you lose the claim to any rational basis for this assertion. A claim from dogma is like a religious claim - "my statement is true because I believe it to be true".

not really tho.all religions are opinions,if you want to add them to a debate with theories that scientists come up with,you have to make them theories.Theories have a basis in forms of evidence and that makes them theories.They still need to be prooven though to become fact.But even as theories they cannot be even compared to some nonsense where the only form of evidence are some ancient books writen by who the hell knows and where theese very books acceptance by people was acompanied by death and torture.No not supspicious at all.

Well, it depends. For (fill in the blank religionists who believe in a particular religion), it isn't an opinion. It is a fact.
Ask an uneducated-but-sincere muslim/christian/hindu if their religion is an 'opinion' - most would vehemently disagree.
Ask an educated-and-sincere muslim/christian/hindu if their religion is an 'opinion' - most would answer in the form of 'no, but ...'

I was simply stating that Unleashed can't be making claims about *all religions* being 'manufactured lies, and still be credible as one who speaks rationally. Even someone who believes there is no god, who thinks *most religions* are manufactured lies, they would have to grant the possibility that before the Age of Enlightenment, some religions were sincere mistakes.

I wasn't making a claim about any particular religion, or religion at all, in this case.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 14:01

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 13:50

Did you just admit making an error in logic, and/or judgment?
ATHEIST!

Do you mean nationalism, communism and consumerism?

Unlike the majority of people, I admit my mistakes. I even made one in the previous post, I meant the two big religions, the third one (catholicism) actually being a subset of christianity.

I can't say all of them are lies because I haven't studied them all, and I can't even have disdain for something like Buddhism for example. In fact, I will admit right now, I was wrong. Buddhism is founded on the teachings of Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). Awakening, Enlightenment and awareness are very real and they are what Buddha preached, so therefore I cannot say all religions are based on lies. And it's what Jesus also meant all along, but they got misinterpreted, misused, and then we have what I've been saying all along, religion used for mass control etc.

So, I will rephrase: Christianity and all of its subcategories or whatever they are called, together with islam, are manufactured lies, designed to scare and control primitive people. No rational human being in the 21st century should fall for such bullshit.

Thx.

Back to dogma. I don't doubt that you believe this to be the case for Islam and Christianity, but I am skeptical of any argument whose conclusions are justified by ad hoc retainment of an unreasoned assertion. Consider:

Person A: "No Rational Human being in the 21st century is a Muslim or Christian."
Person B: "I am rational, and I am a Muslim."
Person A: "Well, no true Muslim is rational." or "No true Rational person is Muslim".

This informal fallacy is know as the "No True Scotsman".
You statement may be true, but your reasoning is invalid and fallacious.

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 14:47

Consider:

Person A: "No Rational Human being in the 21st century is a Muslim or Christian."
Person B: "I am rational, and I am a Muslim."
Person A: "Well, no true Muslim is rational." or "No true Rational person is Muslim".

This informal fallacy is know as the "No True Scotsman".
You statement may be true, but your reasoning is invalid and fallacious.

I said no rational human being should. Although I fail to see how anyone believing allah will give him 72 virgins in the afterlife is rational. Or the guy who thinks jesus is in the sky looking out for him, then a few seconds later someone gets hit by a car and he totally ignores that, jesus isn't in the sky looking out for people anymore. I don't see any rationality here. What I see there is contradiction and stupidity. In other words, religion as usual.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:02

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 14:47

Consider:

Person A: "No Rational Human being in the 21st century is a Muslim or Christian."
Person B: "I am rational, and I am a Muslim."
Person A: "Well, no true Muslim is rational." or "No true Rational person is Muslim".

This informal fallacy is know as the "No True Scotsman".
You statement may be true, but your reasoning is invalid and fallacious.

I said no rational human being should. Although I fail to see how anyone believing allah will give him 72 virgins in the afterlife is rational. Or the guy who thinks jesus is in the sky looking out for him, then a few seconds later someone gets hit by a car and he totally ignores that, jesus isn't in the sky looking out for people anymore. I don't see any rationality here. What I see there is contradiction and stupidity. In other words, religion as usual.

I know plenty of people that I consider rational that believe the following:
- There are 'unalienable' human rights. Life, liberty, property are but a few.
- All people are of equal moral worth.
- No person is superior to another, solely because of race/creed/color/sex/gender.
- People deserve the truth.

They provide no rational basis for their claims, and, when pushed, can provide no convincing evidence or argument.
They can provide arguments why the above claims are 'God-given' or 'pragmatically useful' or 'self-evident' but the best of the arguments aren't based on evidence, only on some form of utilitarian game-theory (the Veil of Ignorance).
Some of the people who believe these propositions are leaders!

Just because these beliefs have no rational basis, and there is strong evidence that these beliefs are false, I don't think the people who believe these things are Not Rational just because they believe in these propositions.

Then Galileo was not rational. Einstein was not rational. Tesla was not rational. Flawed logic. Hating on the Pope is one thing, and some other people in high postions, but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 15:24

They can provide arguments why the above claims are 'God-given' or 'pragmatically useful' or 'self-evident' but the best of the arguments aren't based on evidence, only on some form of utilitarian game-theory (the Veil of Ignorance).
Some of the people who believe these propositions are leaders!

God-given? Wow, you have some full of shit acquaintances. It matters not whether or not they are leaders. The most talented bullshit artists are the leaders of the world.

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:39

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

No. Scott Sonnon failed in school. He was placed in mental institutions. It wasn't because he's an idiot. He became a world champion afterwards. I don't need to back anything up. YOU must bring the proof.

In the case of your religion, belief equals stupidity and ignorance. You guys are idiots. Yes, you're a fucking idiot. I didn't keep my word but this time I will.

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:39

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

yes because if they droped school they are idiots..seriously its like we try to take this a couple notches up and then you come and take it to the bottom again.It makes me wanna act like your parent now and teach you basic communication skills.Lets start with the basics.Your opinion is just your opinion and not the truth.To become the truth you have to provide the evidence.

I believe in flying ponies because i read it in a book.Should you proove to me that flying ponies dont exist or i have to proove to you they exist,to get to the truth?What do you think?

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 28.03.2014 at 15:51

I believe in flying ponies because i read it in a book.Should you proove to me that flying ponies dont exist or i have to proove to you they exist,to get to the truth?What do you think?

He will dodge this question and bring up some bullshit about how galileo was smart and helped us get to the moon or something

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

Then Galileo was not rational. Einstein was not rational. Tesla was not rational. Flawed logic. Hating on the Pope is one thing, and some other people in high postions, but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

I hope you didn't mean this for me! I certainly didn't say that.
I was simply trying to demonstrate that plenty of sincere people can be rational, yet hold beliefs that are not rationally sustainable.
= The proposition 'God Exists' cannot be demonstrated.
= The proposition 'People deserve freedom' cannot be proven.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:58

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 28.03.2014 at 15:51

I believe in flying ponies because i read it in a book.Should you proove to me that flying ponies dont exist or i have to proove to you they exist,to get to the truth?What do you think?

He will dodge this question and bring up some bullshit about how galileo was smart and helped us get to the moon or something

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true..

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:30

Geschrieben von zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 15:24

They can provide arguments why the above claims are 'God-given' or 'pragmatically useful' or 'self-evident' but the best of the arguments aren't based on evidence, only on some form of utilitarian game-theory (the Veil of Ignorance).
Some of the people who believe these propositions are leaders!

God-given? Wow, you have some full of shit acquaintances. It matters not whether or not they are leaders. The most talented bullshit artists are the leaders of the world.

0. Now you're bowing to ad hominem attacks? "Full of shit acquaintances"?
Look: I'm not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs, I am saying that your claims and arguments are not logically sound.
1. Claims of 'god given' are as rationally valid as 'self evident'.
2. I took all of those propositions from one of the most famous Age of Enlightenment works.
Here's a fragment:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

That's from the USA's Declaration of Independence from Britain (colloquially, 'The Declaration of Independence').
The men who wrote it were actually living in The Enlightenment, and Enlightenment philosophers drew the basis of what would be called 'human rights' from God.
Some of the men who wrote the document were good, just, kind God-fearing men. Some of the men were the same as the first group, but were atheists. Some were greedy proto-capitalists, who just wanted unconstrained economic liberty.
Some believed in universal freedom, others only for land-owning white men. Many didn't believe in God.

Possession of Irrational Beliefs does not make one irrational in all domains of human knowledge. Plenty of people who believe in human freedom can solve equations, some people who believe in Heaven can write program code.

Claiming the Rational High Ground, and not fighting from it is morally bankrupting. A proposition can have both true premises and a true conclusion but be logically invalid.

Skeptical people with open minds are *always* wary of logically-invalid arguments, especially when the truth of the premises and conclusion are not known (that's what makes them 'open minded').

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 28.03.2014 at 15:51

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:39

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Geschrieben von Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

yes because if they droped school they are idiots..seriously its like we try to take this a couple notches up and then you come and take it to the bottom again.It makes me wanna act like your parent now and teach you basic communication skills.Lets start with the basics.Your opinion is just your opinion and not the truth.To become the truth you have to provide the evidence.

I believe in flying ponies because i read it in a book.Should you proove to me that flying ponies dont exist or i have to proove to you they exist,to get to the truth?What do you think?

Interesting you should mention 'evidence'.
I agree (and it's a basic rule of grown-up debate) that one making a claim, especially claims that are unusually divergent from the consensus, is responsible for substantiation.
I disagree about the 'truth' part though. Laws, religion and philosophy have 'truth'. In the case of laws, truth is the result of a process or decision. For religion, truth IS. For philosophy truth either exists, exists in a weak sense, exists but is unknowable to man, or does not exist at all.

Science has no truths, except in the weakest sense.
- 'Evolution is truth' (no, it's a theory)
- The subject weighed 11 kilos (that's a 'truth' because it is a falsifiable proposition that can be tested, and if the scale was off, the truth would change).

A lot of people believe in God.
A lot of people believe in Evolution as the origin of Species.
A lot of people believe in Global Climate Change.