Stop recruiting low ranks if you won't train them

I am tired of asking for a cw and the officer/leader telling me "we don't have online members" and when ask them "hey, why u don't use X or Y player, they are online" they reply with: "We don't know if X and Y player know how to play"

jeez, if u can't train them, don't recruit them. they could be in a decent training clan like Bactria, Illyrification or Otpisani.

Agree

AGREE 100%! Truest post in existence!

Sorry I will kick them

Def agree.... Thts y they should come to Night Stalkers! Everyone here gets trained in the fundamentals, then in more advanced gameplay!

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 03.09.2014 at 23:12

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

why u cry

Geschrieben von Waffel, 04.09.2014 at 01:59

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 03.09.2014 at 23:12

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

why u cry

Who says I'm crying? Also, organize your gifs

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 04.09.2014 at 03:13

Geschrieben von Waffel, 04.09.2014 at 01:59

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 03.09.2014 at 23:12

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

why u cry

Who says I'm crying? Also, organize your gifs

Bitch please, my gifs aint ugly gurlz tho

Geschrieben von Tundy, 03.09.2014 at 20:43

I am tired of asking for a cw and the officer/leader telling me "we don't have online members" and when ask them "hey, why u don't use X or Y player, they are online" they reply with: "We don't know if X and Y player know how to play"

jeez, if u can't train them, don't recruit them. they could be in a decent training clan like Bactria, Illyrification or Otpisani.

> Implying that there is only one sole purpose for clans: CW.

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 03.09.2014 at 23:12

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 08:54

Geschrieben von Tundy, 03.09.2014 at 20:43

I am tired of asking for a cw and the officer/leader telling me "we don't have online members" and when ask them "hey, why u don't use X or Y player, they are online" they reply with: "We don't know if X and Y player know how to play"

jeez, if u can't train them, don't recruit them. they could be in a decent training clan like Bactria, Illyrification or Otpisani.

> Implying that there is only one sole purpose for clans: CW.

Geschrieben von Skittzophrenic, 03.09.2014 at 23:12

Let me get this straight bucko. Are you telling me, in order to be in a clan, you must clan war?

Are you trying to say that is ok for shitty clans like winterfell to invite thousands of low ranks, just to make their clan look active? while other clans like Bactria give them the opportunity to cw and practice everyday?

No-competitive clans die faster than competitive clans, and that's a fact.

Geschrieben von Tundy, 04.09.2014 at 09:02

Are you trying to say that is ok for shitty clans like winterfell to invite thousands of low ranks, just to make their clan look active? while other clans like Bactria give them the opportunity to cw and practice everyday?

No-competitive clans die faster than competitive clans, and that's a fact.

> Implying Winterfell is shitty.
> Implying players don't know how to choose coalitions... and there is no "natural" selection of competitive clans.
> Implying that the death of clans is something bad and has to be avoided.
> Implying that the death of clans is avoidable and not subject to conjunctures.
> Implying that clans are not "allowed" to be formed around other issues than CWs.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying Winterfell is shitty.

Winterfell is not gonna get any better anytime soon, they have lost their momentum a long time ago. For them to get better they need a flow of good players from outside to help them train.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying players don't know how to choose coalitions... and there is no "natural" selection of competitive clans.

Most players don't really check the forum, most of them accept any invitation you send, and once in a clan they don't care if the clan is not-active.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that the death of clans is something bad and has to be avoided.

Implying that failures are good

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that the death of clans is avoidable and not subject to conjunctures.

Mention any non-competitive clan that has lasted more than 2 years with more than 50% of active members. (Must have at least 10 members)

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that clans are not "allowed" to be formed around other issues than CWs.

Cws are one of the main reasons to make a clan.

Evol have been actively seeking low rank cws lately, contact me when I'm online!

Geschrieben von Tundy, 04.09.2014 at 09:36

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying Winterfell is shitty.

Winterfell is not gonna get any better anytime soon, they have lost their momentum a long time ago. For them to get better they need a flow of good players from outside to help them train.

-- This is heavily opinionated with no valid evidence or parameters to entertain a proper argument.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying players don't know how to choose coalitions... and there is no "natural" selection of competitive clans.

Most players don't really check the forum, most of them accept any invitation you send, and once in a clan they don't care if the clan is not-active.

-- The forum is full of bias and nonsense, but it is true that they will accept whatever comes their way, generally.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that the death of clans is something bad and has to be avoided.

Implying that failures are good

-- A failure is necessary for the definition of success, thereby making the existence of success absolutely dependent upon the existence of failure.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that the death of clans is avoidable and not subject to conjunctures.

Mention any non-competitive clan that has lasted more than 2 years with more than 50% of active members. (Must have at least 10 members)

"lasted"
"active members"

These are both concepts that you have failed to define. An Active member, in my book, is the guy who checks in at least every other week.
"lasting" - this implies that there is an idea or cause that remains facilitated by the individual/their group. What that is can only be determined by the individual/group.
Inglorious Basterds could easily fill this position. Although bare in mind that you did set a "lasting" limit of 2 years. AtWar has been around since like 2010? so out of 4 years you basically have to have existed for half of AtWar's existence in order to be considered legitimate? Because we are arguing legitimacy, name "competitive" clan that has existed for more than 2 years with more than 50% of active members lol.

Geschrieben von Columna Durruti, 04.09.2014 at 09:12

> Implying that clans are not "allowed" to be formed around other issues than CWs.

Cws are one of the main reasons to make a clan

but it is not the main reason: it is among several.

Tunder is right here, while Clans are for more than just CWs, the players and clans he was referring to are in CW clans. Of course you can be in a clan and not CW, but when you are in a clan with the sole purpose to train and CW, you should know how to do that, or at least be training, not just sitting there wasting other clans times who ask for CW, and assume that those low ranks can match their low ranks. Btw, Tunder's low ranks arent that good either, so they dont have to be as good as the best players in the clan, but dont recruit low ranks then do nothing, it doesnt improve them.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 10:26

-my feelings-

I can't withstand the amount of bullshit that you just said.

Rather than addressing my statements, you are just making irrelevant questions regarding my logic and definitions. So I will respond in the same manner:

Active clans after 2 years? Stalin Martians.

Geschrieben von Tundy, 04.09.2014 at 12:37

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 10:26

-my feelings-

I can't withstand the amount of bullshit that you just said.

Rather than addressing my statements, you are just making irrelevant questions regarding my logic and definitions. So I will respond in the same manner:

Active clans after 2 years? Stalin Martians.

I'm not obligated to address your INVALID arguments.

I am obligated to defend what's right. Clans and their members can do as they so desire, and you have no place in belittling and badgering them for doing so. This being the reality of our situation, the very existence of this thread is heinous and against the nature of AtWar and progressive thoughts for the condition of humanity.

I agree but lets be real here, there will always be an endless supply of noobs waiting to be picked up and trained. One clan may have a thousand but there will always be a thousand more.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

I'm not obligated to address your INVALID arguments.

I am obligated to defend what's right.

Oh shit, we have a superhero among us.
Quit the bullshit, I am pointing out the issue and giving one solution, while you try to rationalize and hide its existence.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

Clans and their members can do as they so desire

Clans can do whatever they want, but if they want to be among the big boys they are gonna have to start acting as such. This involves training all the members that you recruit, its such a shame when big "competitive" clans are composed of 95% RP players, and only 5% of them play CWs

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

and you have no place in belittling and badgering them for doing so.

who are you to tell me what to do? The Internet police?

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

This being the reality of our situation, the very existence of this thread is heinous and against the nature of AtWar and progressive thoughts for the condition of humanity.

You can't have progressive thoughts in a community full of ultra-conservative fanboys like you, the first step to a progressive society is to accept mistakes and fix them on the spot.

I can describe your entire post as this:

Geschrieben von Tundy, 04.09.2014 at 17:26

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

I'm not obligated to address your INVALID arguments.

I am obligated to defend what's right.

Oh shit, we have a superhero among us.
Quit the bullshit, I am pointing out the issue and giving one solution, while you try to rationalize and hide its existence.
- This is a useless point, a pissing contest would be ashamed to entertain it.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

Clans and their members can do as they so desire

Clans can do whatever they want, but if they want to be among the big boys they are gonna have to start acting as such. This involves training all the members that you recruit, its such a shame when big "competitive" clans are composed of 95% RP players, and only 5% of them play CWs

- You affirmed my point, thank you. As for everything after that, they don't HAVE to "start acting as such". That contradicts your affirmation.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

and you have no place in belittling and badgering them for doing so.

who are you to tell me what to do? The Internet police?

- I'm not telling you what to do, I'm declaring that you are no one to command other's decisions.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 16:18

This being the reality of our situation, the very existence of this thread is heinous and against the nature of AtWar and progressive thoughts for the condition of humanity.

You can't have progressive thoughts in a community full of ultra-conservative fanboys like you, the first step to a progressive society is to accept mistakes and fix them on the spot.

- You're making a hasty generalization. As for what you said about a provessive society, maybe. That's your opinion. However, recruiting low ranks and not training them isn't necessarily a "problem" that we need to accept. I question why you attempt to fix this supposed problem of yours on a grand scale instead of attempting it on a smaller and more feasible level.

I can describe your entire post as this:



- You can describe my post as god, it doesn't make your own weak arguments any more valid

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:09

- This is a useless point, a pissing contest would be ashamed to entertain it.

what happen, you aren't a superhero anymore? no more "defending people's rights" hahaha
you can't even talk for yourself, let alone a community, YOU are ALONE in this debate, everybody else has sided with my "INVALID" opinion. Claiming that you are the champion of the community and that you are OBLIGATED to defend it, makes you look like a fool.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:09

You affirmed my point, thank you. As for everything after that, they don't HAVE to "start acting as such". That contradicts your affirmation.

please take your time to read the main post, i am talking about Competitive clans that don't teach their low ranks how to play, i don't care about non-competitive clans, i have made this very clear before, but seems like you jumped into the "Bash this topic" bandwagon when i was telling colummna durruti the importance of clans. I never stated that ALL clans must train their low ranks, only COMPETITIVE clans. non-competitive clans don't cw so they aren't part of this isolated problem.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:09

- I'm not telling you what to do, I'm declaring that you are no one to command other's decisions.

i am no longer allowed to have an opinion and to suggest ways to solve it? Weird, i tough you said atwar was a progressive community... shame

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:09

You're making a hasty generalization. As for what you said about a provessive society, maybe. That's your opinion. However, recruiting low ranks and not training them isn't necessarily a "problem" that we need to accept.

interesting, so a society can only be progressive if it follows YOUR selfish opinions? how funny, thanks god we are not a "open" and "progressive" society.

Recruiting low ranks and not training them, its a problem. Specially if you are trying to be a "competitive" clan.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:09

I question why you attempt to fix this supposed problem of yours on a grand scale instead of attempting it on a smaller and more feasible level.

Yes, lets start in a smaller scale, like teaching you how to quote

You're putting words in my mouth instead of actually arguing my points.

That's called circular reasoning. You're a dumb ass, plain and simple.

Geschrieben von Dr Lecter, 04.09.2014 at 18:59

You're putting words in my mouth instead of actually arguing my points.

That's called circular reasoning. You're a dumb ass, plain and simple.

No, you are just bad at debating and got butthurt.

Tell me what words "i put in your mouth" and ill quote them for you

Lock thread! Unnecessary argument and Unnecessary thread in general!

I would just like to add one little point... I know that noobs should be trained and i'm the first person to worry about that stuff! But who tells you that a noobs might want to be trained?? Some noobs like to keep being just what they are and play as they like, not everyone takes this game that seriously.

BTW! You should respect winterfell a bit more, it would be nice of you to do so you know?? I dont know and dont care what you think about our clan but dont state things you dont know pls.
"Are you trying to say that is ok for shitty clans like winterfell to invite thousands of low ranks, just to make their clan look active? while other clans like Bactria give them the opportunity to cw and practice everyday?"

We dont invite thousand of low ranks to make a clan active and since you dont care much about our clan to ask before than stating this none sense, pls dont ask that now. I repeat: You know nothing ok?? inform yourself before stating anything about any clan, more concretely about Winterfell, ty.

So you want them to recruit low rank to CW your cln and to feed it??? GG

Geschrieben von YazanTheSexy, 05.09.2014 at 00:40

So you want them to recruit low rank to CW your cln and to feed it??? GG

Did u even read what i said? Did you? Don't recruit low ranks if you are not gonna train them.

This problem not only affects me, because i can't get cws, but also affects the Unlucky dude that joins a clan for first time ever, and doesn't get train and can't cw, then he thinks all other competitive clans are just the same... A glorified group of elitists represented by only ranks 10.

Then he becomes a mid high rank, and gets kicked out of competitive games because he is not good enough.

Geschrieben von Tundy, 05.09.2014 at 08:40

Geschrieben von YazanTheSexy, 05.09.2014 at 00:40

So you want them to recruit low rank to CW your cln and to feed it??? GG

Did u even read what i said? Did you??

Nah i didnt xD


.. Now i did , but yet again that's my point people dont read most of clns turned to a chat clns nth more nth less but yet low ranks joins them bec he didnt ask the leaders what type of cln is , most of the clns" including my cln VS" wont CW till it get fixed or turned into a leauge sys .. But Amok wont do any new updates till he finish HTML5 .... "august is over btw amok" .. But he is lazy...

We need more training clans! My clan has trained rank 5 and 6 players, but they can't play because just JNA trains new members in atwar. I can't let them play with ranks 10-11-12.. High ranks will rape them and they'll lose will to play.

Also, I have problem to find cw for ranks 8 and especially 7, but they can play with 9 and 10.

Open games for all ranks (5-15 minimum) or we'll lose good new players..

Shadows Shadow was really good training clan and we have good low ranks from there, maybe the best on the server..