Dueling Etiquette

It's come to my attention recently that I'm an incredibly unpopular player in this game. Certainly it's not a result of lacking social grace or charisma, but perhaps something less sophisticated and relevant. The game's dueling is something in the last few months I've gotten in to, through self discovery and teaching, and has resulted in the incredible rank and score I've acquired. Surely, that quick jump shouldn't be a problem; but it's the reason I'm writing this today. Although no one has given me a clear-cut, valid argument or regulation for the way we duelers operate, I feel obligated to listen to their wisdom (or lack thereof). So, as the title establishes, the latter portion of this forum is for our collective, educated ideas for dueling so that no one is: misused, tormented, criticized, belabored, or abusive with the dueling process.

One of the thoughts about my dueling which is seen as unfair or cheating is the variety of levels I contest. Yes, I've fought every rank except 1, 2, and the dreaded 13 at a variety of ranks. The furthest rank from my own was a Rank 3 I battled just the other day (I'm Rank 10). The question of course is: Is it unfair that a Rank 10 should be dueling Rank 3s that haven't a chance at winning? The answer is no. Rank means upgrades and it fallaciously assumes skill. Any number of reasons could allow a low ranking character to beat a high ranking character. The low ranking character could be an alt of someone very skillful, the low ranking character could be very skillful but hasn't had the chance to accumulate SP, or any other reason you can imagine. The point is, a character joins a duel because they think they can beat the other person. Whether or not they can is for a later point; the truth of this point is that it's the Rank 3's independent choice to try to win against that Rank 10. I recognize the lack of upgrades a low ranking character can have though, so I propose we establish ranks 0-4 should not fight ranks 5-13 unless extenuating circumstances are present.

The second problem people seem to have with my dueling style is the country I choose and have reserved just for me. Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there. Is it because the country is overpowered or anything other than my favorite? No. I duel there because I happened upon Wales and trained there for awhile before deciding to duel regularly. From there I've only lost on that map three times and once (today) as Wales itself. Wales is an exceptionally powerful country, with a superior position, economy, and troop production, it can pack a punch that'll knock down anybody that dares to fight. However, it can be beaten. Today it has been beaten and yesterday it almost had been (Mortimer was taken three times in that duel) and in other non-duel games I've beaten it. Ask Eagle (the Serbian one that beat Wales) or the Troll (guy that I beat when he was Wales) if you want verification. If the country was truly overpowered and unbeatable then it shouldn't be played. I think that's a given.

The last seemingly arguable point people have tried to make with me are the personal settings for a duel (turn time, initial funds, etc) and reserving a country. As far as the settings go, I think the go-to turn time for players should be four minutes unless they're both comfortable with less or a challenge is made for less. That means if two quick players want one minute turns then they can go for it, but I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement. Starting funds should be agreed upon by the two players but should be just enough to get the most expensive country. I allow 15k starting funds because with that money a person can get any country they desire and are not restricted or barred from good countries like Champagne, but also do not have enough money to spam units unskillfully until they win like in a 50k match. Rare units: none; leave it to skill and not chance.

As for reserving a starting country it should be looked at just like any other rule. If one or both of the players have a country they've trained as and they are capable fighters as it only makes sense for them to duel. It should be established whether or not characters decide to allow reservations or random selection. I think it makes more sense that duelers battle based on things they know rather than what they don't. It wouldn't make sense for a guy that knows fencing to be thrown in to a jousting tournament, or fair if a boxer had to strap on football equipment and not use what skills he actually has. Of course, players can opt to have certain countries banned from duels if they are completely overpowered and unstoppable with certain strats. I've read in the forums a Ukraine with Blitz in EU++ is unstoppable and Macedonia in Ancient World can't be beaten.

Regardless of the circumstances or allowances of my gaming style, it's not my intention to cheat my fellow players in AtWar. Quite the opposite is my intention, if this post has any effect, to educate my fellow players and better the gaming experience for all so that none should do wrong by us. Please post your thoughts on the matter.

I find wales have a good advantage against champagne, because wales can secure Uk coastline wales can secure more port and has a wider Path to take whereas champagne you have less port and have less option to attack. similarily to ukraine, the balkan and turkey is in range for ukraine to take, and most of the russian cities are far away to take and need air transportation to reach their. Thus you can take more as ukraine than turkey. On top of that I find blitzkreig makes both wales and ukraine better in expansion because miltia can both move farther. wales is the strongest country in uk and can pressure champagne better as ukraine have more option to take turk's cities, since russia won't be stack but move to kiev and the front. Wales + blitzkrieg is like ukraine and blitzkrieg. because you have less pressure more surface area ( more cities to steal) and Blitzkrieg which has a fast Espansion rate to the usable miltia will help you gain an against any opponent of a wales player. For ancient, macedonia can take more cities because it's in the center, so more room to expand and have a very powerful unit that will help you gain an edge. for the less weaker countries one mistakes can cost you your game. whereas one mistakes can't really do much to you, so you can still win and recover again, but it's takes a player do do more mistakes to lose as a stronger country, and eagle is strong casuses he a rusher, lesson leared. Also rank 10 is the max in term of upgrade so 10,11,12,13 are all have the same advantage Except skills.

'Is it unfair that a Rank 10 should be dueling Rank 3s that haven't a chance at winning? The answer is no'
'Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there'


XAXAXA

I had an openmind and was ready to appreciate what you were saying until i saw this

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales

Since you are complaining nobody ever gave you a good valid argument, let me make a quick one.


Anyone who plays only an overpowered country and nothing else is weak.
Anyone who kicks other people for picking a country is a faggot.
Player X plays only an overpowered country and kicks other people for picking it against him.

Therefore, player X (insert name) is weak and a faggot.

A good argument, until as Croat and Khal say the line about Wales.
What if I also practice Wales and it is my best country? This is like and old case where a guy made iceland duels and kicked it UK was picked in 15k or Ire in 10k.

If you understand Wales then you will also understand how to beat it.

Respect the random first pick though, kicking is and always will be an easy way out.

Geschrieben von b0nker2, 07.04.2015 at 11:10

A good argument, until as Croat and Khal say the line about Wales.
What if I also practice Wales and it is my best country? This is like and old case where a guy made iceland duels and kicked it UK was picked in 15k or Ire in 10k.

If you understand Wales then you will also understand how to beat it.

Respect the random first pick though, kicking is and always will be an easy way out.

i beat Kord as wales 2-0, but lost all my match against Kord's wales. he himself can't even beat wales.

Geschrieben von Htin, 07.04.2015 at 11:14

Geschrieben von b0nker2, 07.04.2015 at 11:10

A good argument, until as Croat and Khal say the line about Wales.
What if I also practice Wales and it is my best country? This is like and old case where a guy made iceland duels and kicked it UK was picked in 15k or Ire in 10k.

If you understand Wales then you will also understand how to beat it.

Respect the random first pick though, kicking is and always will be an easy way out.

i beat Kord as wales 2-0, but lost all my match against Kord's wales. he himself can't even beat wales.

Reaffirms the point then.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

It's come to my attention recently that I'm an incredibly unpopular player in this game.

I don't think you should worry or feel the need to defend yourself on the forums. I for one have no idea who you are.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

so I propose we establish ranks 0-4 should not fight ranks 5-13 unless extenuating circumstances are present.

In order to be 90-100% fair in terms of upgrades, the lowest rank you (rank 10) should duel is a rank 8, which does already have the minimum needed upgrades (such as inf and transport upgrades). Ranks 5-7 are just a continuation of rank 4.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

The second problem people seem to have with my dueling style is the country I choose and have reserved just for me. Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there. Is it because the country is overpowered or anything other than my favorite? No. I duel there because I happened upon Wales and trained there for a while before deciding to duel regularly. From there I've only lost on that map three times and once (today) as Wales itself. Wales is an exceptionally powerful country, with a superior position, economy, and troop production, it can pack a punch that'll knock down anybody that dares to fight. However, it can be beaten. Today it has been beaten and yesterday it almost had been (Mortimer was taken three times in that duel) and in other non-duel games I've beaten it. Ask Eagle (the Serbian one that beat Wales) or the Troll (guy that I beat when he was Wales) if you want verification. If the country was truly overpowered and unbeatable then it shouldn't be played. I think that's a given.

In a duel you're not supposed to "reserve" a country. Morally talking, is not fair since you have admitted it's pretty much op compared to its neighbour countries. It is not logical either since you are given turns to pick countries, respect them in the same way everyone else always does. Ethically it is not acceptable, just put yourself in their place, would you really feel well for having being kicked when picking a country you like? Anyhow, it's not a good action from you to kick whoever picks Wales cause you're indirectly admitting you can't beat a Wales because it's op and that you're pretty much a coward… how would you feel if someone else did the same to you? I don't think you'd be laughing about it, would you?
Ofc, no single country is unbeatable. Absolutely none is. BUT it takes much more skills, luck and enemy mistakes to beat. That's irrefutable. So, with that in mind, you're playing a duel with advantage on your side from the very beginning, not really ethical, like it or not.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

The last seemingly arguable point people have tried to make with me are the personal settings for a duel (turn time, initial funds, etc) and reserving a country. As far as the settings go, I think the go-to turn time for players should be four minutes unless they're both comfortable with less or a challenge is made for less. That means if two quick players want one minute turns then they can go for it, but I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement. Starting funds should be agreed upon by the two players but should be just enough to get the most expensive country. I allow 15k starting funds because with that money a person can get any country they desire and are not restricted or barred from good countries like Champagne, but also do not have enough money to spam units unskillfully until they win like in a 50k match. Rare units: none; leave it to skill and not chance.

The standard budget is 10k. Not too much, not too low. By making it 15k you're not benefiting anyone but yourself since your country is fairly expensive and making it 10k would leave you without money quite soon in your duel, that way you avoid possible disadvantage against cheaper countries. Budget is not chosen so that all countries are available. The standard time per turn is 4 min unless both players agree to change it.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

As for reserving a starting country it should be looked at just like any other rule. If one or both of the players have a country they've trained as and they are capable fighters as it only makes sense for them to duel. It should be established whether or not characters decide to allow reservations or random selection. I think it makes more sense that duelers battle based on things they know rather than what they don't. It wouldn't make sense for a guy that knows fencing to be thrown in to a jousting tournament, or fair if a boxer had to strap on football equipment and not use what skills he actually has. Of course, players can opt to have certain countries banned from duels if they are completely overpowered and unstoppable with certain strats. I've read in the forums a Ukraine with Blitz in EU++ is unstoppable and Macedonia in Ancient World can't be beaten.

Reserving a country is utterly stupid considering that this game depends deeply on picking turns. Duellers never depend on one single country to win. And even if they are better at one country, they accept the picking turns and pick according to them. What if all duellers practiced only Walles? Who would get to pick it? A dueller doesn't play a game by heart but by his skills, this meaning he can play any country given. The moment he only plays one country, his skills are ignored since you can assume he doesn't know how to expand, just to repeat the same moves once and again.
As for ukr blitz, I can't comment since I've never confronted it before. As for Macedonia in ancient world, it's well known by pro ancient players it's potential. BUT that doesn't mean they get to kick the opponent if they can't pick it first… no one has ever done that except you. Instead of that, we have tried to counter it with certain success. We've determined some counters for it and some plays that can hurt it. That's what being skilful actually means.
Your examples don't have anything to be with our circumstances… you're an AW player and so you must learn to play AW, not exclusively Wales. That's just the same as if a boxer only learned how to dodge but not how to punch or only liked to fight certain slow boxers, rather than fast ones. You're gonna be forced to fully understand all boxing techniques and fight every kind of opponent in what ever circumstances given.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

Regardless of the circumstances or allowances of my gaming style, it's not my intention to cheat my fellow players in AtWar. Quite the opposite is my intention, if this post has any effect, to educate my fellow players and better the gaming experience for all so that none should do wrong by us. Please post your thoughts on the matter.

As you know, I have already duelled your Wales and would have no problem to do it again, just for the fun and for the challenge. But if I were to be competitive I'd be pissed off at your incompetence, pig-headness and cowardness XD no mean to offend, I don't hate you nor think you're a bad guy, just stating objective statements and trying to make you see why people is pissed off, have a nice day
Btw, yeah, I wanna try again, I'll come up with something for sure!

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 07.04.2015 at 11:06

I had an openmind and was ready to appreciate what you were saying until i saw this

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales

Since you are complaining nobody ever gave you a good valid argument, let me make a quick one.


Anyone who plays only an overpowered country and nothing else is weak.
Anyone who kicks other people for picking a country is a faggot.
Player X plays only an overpowered country and kicks other people for picking it against him.

Therefore, player X (insert name) is weak and a faggot.

I would actually say that's the least valuable argument I've ever seen on AtWar and I've seen some pretty stupid stuff. Rather than actually taking what I'm saying in to consideration where a dueler may battle where he or she is strong and not have to pick at random you make a blindly hateful statement. "Anyone who kicks other people for picking a country is a faggot" thanks Khaleesi, you really know what you're talking about! Any more wisdom? Maybe something that we could actually look at and build off of? Or are you incapable of doing something actually productive?

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:34

I would actually say that's the least valuable argument I've ever seen on AtWar and I've seen some pretty stupid stuff. Rather than actually taking what I'm saying in to consideration where a dueler may battle where he or she is strong and not have to pick at random you make a blindly hateful statement. "Anyone who kicks other people for picking a country is a faggot" thanks Khaleesi, you really know what you're talking about! Any more wisdom? Maybe something that we could actually look at and build off of? Or are you incapable of doing something actually productive?

Let me translate his words for you:

Anyone who plays only an overpowered country and nothing else is weak. = someone who does this doesn't really know how to play the game, just fight with advantage from the begining and repeat moves, not really much of skills involved in that, just not making huge mistakes.
Anyone who kicks other people for picking a country is a faggot. = someone who kicks other players is being unrespectful and a bit hypocrit cause later you're gonna pick it. It's also being a bit coward since you're admiting you don't want to face that country.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:34

dueler may battle where he or she is strong

A dueller never relies only on one single country. A dueller is skillful enough to play more than one.
What if all duellers just played Wales? Who gets to pick it?

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:34

Any more wisdom? Maybe something that we could actually look at and build off of? Or are you incapable of doing something actually productive?

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

Certainly it's not a result of lacking social grace or charisma

Before I say it's unfair I criticize only you in this instance, to my knowledge khal has never expressed a belief in his social grace and charisma


Also,

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 10:16

I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement

Playing faster does not mean you do not think. It means you have to think faster.
Versatility is a skill as well, and while everyone will play better in certain conditions everyone should understand that a truly great player is someone who is able to adapt to changing conditions.
Being op at one country and always picking it is just trying to engineer your own victory, not proving skill. Many people would prefer to play a certain country, but a justification for kicking someone who picks your country being essentially "because I'm good at it" is just... sad really.

I bet you saw Laochra's comment that bluecher is farming narbs for elo and you are kicking all who pick OP country (Wales) from the map you are playing for duels.
After seeing that, you made this 'excuse myself' thread with some 'arguments' from your side.

Firstly, dont even try to compare Ukraine from regular EU map with your Wales from Medieval map.

2ndly, as Bonker said: 'If you understand Wales then you will also understand how to beat it.'
I want to compare that sentence with football. If you often play 4-4-2 formation, you will also understand what you should do if your enemy plays 4-4-2 formation.
But you wont kick him from Europe League just because he wants to use formation that you are using, right?

3rdly, it is unfair if you, as rank 10, duel rank 3. Doesnt matter is that skilled alt, unskilled alt, skilled main or unskilled main account.
Rank 3 upgrades, in most situations even without general, are too weak for upgrades of rank 10.
Doesnt matter how skilled rank 10 is, but his chances of loosing to r3 are equal to chances of me having sex with Megan Fox.

4thly, you are making yourself 'unpopular', not we.

Lastly, I dont need your excuses here in forums, try to respect random picks (it is not involved in this game without reason) and by that respect other players and fair-play at all.
Skills, that you are talking so much in your comment, come to the fore when you have to do something unusual, in this situation by picking another country.
Also, theory of intelligence is closely connected with theory of skills (in game 'problems' or in problems from real life), becuase u use your skills by your intelligence, so think about it next time

Raul also seems to present a valid and fair point. You say though this game depends deeply on picking turns, but it doesn't. That's just an option Amok and Ivan inserted that doesn't necessarily have to be followed. I certainly don't follow it for picking Wales and the people I have dueled haven't either. I can understand though that perhaps it should be done and will start prepping as York By 15k funds a person can get any of the countries. Champagne is 11k and some change and that's what most people tend to want to go as so for maps which have opposing countries which demand an increase in the starting funds in order to play the starting funds should be higher for those players. Of course, if a player has no intention of playing as Champagne (I think the only country more than 10k on that map) then the starting funds could be reduced to 10k.

Sorry but i disagree with you and I´m not going to read everything that.

Rank is experience and upgrades, both things, especially upgrades betwenn a rank 5 and 10.

It´s not the same to play against a rank 3 than a rank 10, so when u are dueling a rank 4 u already start with a big advantage.

And the worst thing of this issue is kicking people when choose that u call "your country".

That´s not your country, that´s nobody country, picks are random and if somebody picks wales u have to respect him and duel him once u started the duel, other way what you are doing is just kicking people for getting you the op country in the map.

That thing u call "a trainning" is not much more than just pick the best country in the map with the appropiate money to be unbeatable in 99%

That´s not a training man, that´s only just picking always the op cpuntry in the map for winning in a 99% times.

And no offence, but that´s the only way cause u got that elo and rank, i´m pretty sure that if u should have respected the picks and played other countries u wouldn´t have that elo or games won.

Skills and experience are taken playing different people in different maps, in different countries, with different money and learning, not playing always medieval map 15k wales pick, and if i´m not wales i kick you and cry.

Agree with kirito, it´s the same case than Navdeep charan (later named indian tiger and actually "unknow player or something like that") in that duels in iceland, kicking people when they choosed the winner country, that´s also the reason cause that guy got 1500+ elo

And lot of similar cases similars that we have in the game, like reciently that player in the top seasonal elo points named Imzombiereal, just dueling ranks 2 3 4 ... only for appear in the list.

It´s called cheating and farming, and probably cause he is not able to be there by himslef and needs to duel only low ranks, similar case than you with wales pick.

Picks are random and if u know wales and u are rank 10 and another player picks wales u should be able to beat him cause u know wales and how to beat it.

Kicking people for a game is from cowards and it´s not fair.

Would u like to be kicked in a game or duel cause the host wants always the best country in the map?


And the last thing, agree with u can´t choose who joins in your duels, but you can choose perfectly if dueling him or not if he´s a rank 3 or 4 or 5 just being the same polite u are trying to be in this post.

You can see perfectly if he´s an alt or not by his reps, his elo, etc etc

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:58

Raul also seems to present a valid and fair point. You say though this game depends deeply on picking turns, but it doesn't. That's just an option Amok and Ivan inserted that doesn't necessarily have to be followed. I certainly don't follow it for picking Wales and the people I have dueled haven't either. I can understand though that perhaps it should be done and will start prepping as York By 15k funds a person can get any of the countries. Champagne is 11k and some change and that's what most people tend to want to go as so for maps which have opposing countries which demand an increase in the starting funds in order to play the starting funds should be higher for those players. Of course, if a player has no intention of playing as Champagne (I think the only country more than 10k on that map) then the starting funds could be reduced to 10k.

Picking turns is no option, it is a must! Who the heck ever told you it doesn't need to be followed? XDD It has been changed during the time this game has been active on purpose just to try make it fairer! And now you come and say it is innecesary?? Sorry but nope. Besides, you're no one to determine wether what admins implemented is important or not, if they implemented it is for a reason. I and anyone else here will agree that picking turns MUST be respected, unless players agree on what to pick before hand. Your statement is completely outrageous.
I repeat, the aim for the budget is not being able to buy any country there is, it's aim is to be fair, not too much, not too low. 15k is in the limit of being too much. A 15k Eu+ with Turkey is too op. Same goes for Wales. Lots of reinforcements, not too expensive and pretty good expansion. 10k is the standard, unless both players agree to play with more money. And you already put the settings to 15k before even asking the opponent wether he plans to get champagne or if he agrees with the settings.

If you check Kord's duel's, you will see that out of 140 duels he had played, only 5,6 of them were against good players in my opinion. Rest are mostly rank 5's, and Im sure that 80% of them before joining never saw the map before. As most of us know, common rank 5's can barely make a proper wall, I cant even dare to think that they can do any harm to you. For the remaining 3, 4 players that actually dueled you, it was their first time to play that map, as it was mine when I dueled you first time. It takes a lot of time to get adjusted to the map and the units, so no wonder we've lost. Our first time I've almost beaten you, If I hadnt made few big mistakes in our late game, like capping you four times instead of taking undefended empty land for few turns. That cost me the game. Wales is nothing hard to beat if you take anything near it. Now as I have discovered few options how to beat it, I doubt I'll lose if we ever play again, since your game level for this map, as you have said trained hardly, is above average. The thing is, that once any better player figures your game style, and actually joins your duel, he will easily farm you, like I did, by taking all your cities and killing all your units by turn 7. As for that thing that Wales is your pick, it only shows how you have no idea how competitive gameplay works, either way I let you have even though I had first picks, since I believed that it is beatable. Anyway you can continue to be that self centered and claim that Wales is your country and play only with it, gaining further more no skill, or you can take some of the advice these people have given you, start playing some competitive maps, and maybe one day become a respected person of this community.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:58

Raul also seems to present a valid and fair point. You say though this game depends deeply on picking turns, but it doesn't. That's just an option Amok and Ivan inserted that doesn't necessarily have to be followed. I certainly don't follow it for picking Wales and the people I have dueled haven't either. I can understand though that perhaps it should be done and will start prepping as York By 15k funds a person can get any of the countries. Champagne is 11k and some change and that's what most people tend to want to go as so for maps which have opposing countries which demand an increase in the starting funds in order to play the starting funds should be higher for those players. Of course, if a player has no intention of playing as Champagne (I think the only country more than 10k on that map) then the starting funds could be reduced to 10k.

Frankly i dont really care what all you duelers do, what maps you play and where you get your elo. You asked a question about the dueling etiquette and why you are unpopular and i gave you the truth, through a not very creative but very well valid argument. You might not like it but those 3 lines was the whole answer you were seeking when creating that big wall of text.

Oh and thanks to the players above who interfered to translate my words

Would have been better if you didn't posted anything !
Here you show us the explaination of your way to farm xaxa.
only Wales and several low ranks.
If you don't want to be reproached anything then let every players pick what they want. Put a rank limit ( r7/8).
Or play medieval duels with wales forbidden cause it's better than other countries.

Assuming what you said, you kicking extreme low ranks on whose you already have enormous advantage ( Upgrades / Map experience etc... ) to take the country that gives another even bigger advantage hahaha you make me laugh !

Thumbs Up !!!!

Paradox, firstly, that Ukraine comparison was just an example, like your football one. Or if there's a reason why I shouldn't maybe you could actually say why I shouldn't? Secondly, I don't mind if other people want to look at what I've done and make themselves a nice record dueling as Wales. Go for it! Just don't bring that to my duels because I'm already there. It's like if you're going to a party and everyone has to bring something. What if you have what you said you'd get and someone else shows up at the party later with that same item? It's not that the other person should be kicked from the party but their contribution is not necessary or desired. Thirdly, I recognize the disparity between the ranks and a rank 10 and 3 shouldn't be fighting but it's a rank 3's choice to fight me. If he wants to risk it whose business is that but his own? Certainly not yours. Fourthly, am is present tense. Making is future tense. That was a reference specific to Your newbie and a few other rude people that motivated me enough to write this. Lastly, you're going to get what I give you in the forums because you haven't the right to tell me what to do. The fact of the matter is that I am respecting others and their ideas by asking for them before proceeding further in my dueling. You don't have to tell me about skill, by the way. I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter at hand, not your derogatory philosophy about my intelligence. Oh and I don't frequent the forums much so no, I didn't see the comment Laochra made. Thanks!

You can do whatever you want we ain't going to stop you or anythin haha.
But you are the one bringing the subject there.

We just stating facts :

Your actions are the ones of a " Non Creative Player + Elo Farmer " . But afterall you may not care about it. it's a game and if you like it this way, continue.
However, this post makes me thing you do care.

Escrito por Kord, Hoy at 11:34

dueler may battle where he or she is strong



Are u seriously man?

This is the example like the final cup match football betwenn Barcelona and Real Madrid or whatever teams in whatever country.

Do u think is the same to play in Madrid or Barcelona?

Why do u think it´s always played in a neutral stadium, more or less at the same distance from both cities?

What would u think if one team refuse to play the match cause they always have trained in his stadium and they fell strong in his stadium with his supporters, at home, and set the price for the tickets too expensive for the enemy team supporters and don´t want to play any possible final in any another place?

That´s your case in your duels.

Do u think they are really a good team or do they need to improve playing in a enemy stadium, with enemy supporters, smaller stadiums, with sun, rainning, etc etc etc...?

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:21

Paradox, firstly, that Ukraine comparison was just an example, like your football one. Or if there's a reason why I shouldn't maybe you could actually say why I shouldn't?

Well, Ukr shouldn't be compared with Wales since it's not that op in its respective map as a Wales would be. Also, both maps are quite different from each other and the game play is very different.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:21

Secondly, I don't mind if other people want to look at what I've done and make themselves a nice record dueling as Wales. Go for it! Just don't bring that to my duels because I'm already there. It's like if you're going to a party and everyone has to bring something. What if you have what you said you'd get and someone else shows up at the party later with that same item? It's not that the other person should be kicked from the party but their contribution is not necessary or desired.

What does the party have to be with this? You're not contributing to AW in anyway by dueling.
As for your first statement, some people actually value their image, respect their opponents, have their own morality or want to learn and take challenges. That's why they wouldn't do the same you've been doing.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:21

Thirdly, I recognize the disparity between the ranks and a rank 10 and 3 shouldn't be fighting but it's a rank 3's choice to fight me. If he wants to risk it whose business is that but his own? Certainly not yours.

You should consider the next questions: did you make your duel public? did you give a rank 3 the capacity to join the duel? did you ask that rank 3 wether he knew what he was doing? did you ask yourself wether he had any chance at all? did you need to duel a rank 3 for elo or wouldn't it be more productive to play a normal game against him so that he could actually learn what he was doing, probably even learning how to play the game and being thankful about it?

I hope my opinion is being helpful somehow and not rude to your eyes.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:21

Paradox, firstly, that Ukraine comparison was just an example, like your football one. Or if there's a reason why I shouldn't maybe you could actually say why I shouldn't? Secondly, I don't mind if other people want to look at what I've done and make themselves a nice record dueling as Wales. Go for it! Just don't bring that to my duels because I'm already there. It's like if you're going to a party and everyone has to bring something. What if you have what you said you'd get and someone else shows up at the party later with that same item? It's not that the other person should be kicked from the party but their contribution is not necessary or desired. Thirdly, I recognize the disparity between the ranks and a rank 10 and 3 shouldn't be fighting but it's a rank 3's choice to fight me. If he wants to risk it whose business is that but his own? Certainly not yours. Fourthly, am is present tense. Making is future tense. That was a reference specific to Your newbie and a few other rude people that motivated me enough to write this. Lastly, you're going to get what I give you in the forums because you haven't the right to tell me what to do. The fact of the matter is that I am respecting others and their ideas by asking for them before proceeding further in my dueling. You don't have to tell me about skill, by the way. I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter at hand, not your derogatory philosophy about my intelligence. Oh and I don't frequent the forums much so no, I didn't see the comment Laochra made. Thanks!

WHOAAAA
Even I didnt say anything about YOUR intelligence (I talked about skills and intelligence in global), seems like you found yourself stupid in my words (repeating: not me, you found that).
gg, well done.
Dont stop bro, keep finding. If nothing, you can work as bloodhound anytime.
Also, I see non agreeing with ur comment makes me rude... lol

ps. I will go in further discussion with you after you quote me, not trying to be smartass by avoiding me to know you commented something on me.

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:21

Paradox, firstly, that Ukraine comparison was just an example, like your football one. Or if there's a reason why I shouldn't maybe you could actually say why I shouldn't? Secondly, I don't mind if other people want to look at what I've done and make themselves a nice record dueling as Wales. Go for it! Just don't bring that to my duels because I'm already there. It's like if you're going to a party and everyone has to bring something. What if you have what you said you'd get and someone else shows up at the party later with that same item? It's not that the other person should be kicked from the party but their contribution is not necessary or desired. Thirdly, I recognize the disparity between the ranks and a rank 10 and 3 shouldn't be fighting but it's a rank 3's choice to fight me. If he wants to risk it whose business is that but his own? Certainly not yours. Fourthly, am is present tense. Making is future tense. That was a reference specific to Your newbie and a few other rude people that motivated me enough to write this. Lastly, you're going to get what I give you in the forums because you haven't the right to tell me what to do. The fact of the matter is that I am respecting others and their ideas by asking for them before proceeding further in my dueling. You don't have to tell me about skill, by the way. I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter at hand, not your derogatory philosophy about my intelligence. Oh and I don't frequent the forums much so no, I didn't see the comment Laochra made. Thanks!

Geschrieben von Permamuted, 02.04.2015 at 13:13

Probably because nobody cares, the duel system requires some serious attention, specifically moderation, until this happens elo achievements are largely worthless.

1. You have farmers like bluecher2 farming low ranks/low elo players only. The existence of the duel req button within the actual game allows him to pick and choose who he duels when the situation is advantageous to him. As previously suggested it should be removed. I personally have never initiated a duel that way.

2. You have scam duelers such as the original poster of this thread, acquiring elo through 2 turn duels with altered settings, leaving if he doesnt get the country that allows him to win, and ofc using bugs in duels which was poorly punished and disregarded the precendent set when mk were punished so harshly for the bug usage in a cw.

3. You have players like Kord, playing on a map with a singular overpowered country, which if he doesnt get he also leaves(as has been screenshotted by a few players). Mention this to him and he states "its the only country ive trained for".

The whole point of the elo system is to(hopefully) rate the best 1v1 players.

The whole point of the random picking order when 2 or more players start a game is so over a series of games both players should get to play different countries.

Your methods circumvent both these systems and go against the spirit of fair competition. That elo is not elo you earned, you farmed it and by your own admission too. The only reason you reached this peak is because of the advantage wales provides. Yes we know it "can" be beaten. but it is one of the lowest cost/highest rein countries on the map and its situated in a rich high city density area. Nothing else on the map matches it in terms of positioning or costs. How is anyone meant to test themselves against you when you play like this, why would they even want to?

You have no buisness being at the top of that seasonal elo ranking board. You should not be surprised at all the hate being directed towards you.

That´s called farming, playing low ranks and kicking everybody who picks wales cause it´s the op country in the map.

U have to respect the picks, u have a big advantage if u duel a rank 5 and should let him or whatever player choose wales if it´s his turn.

You are playing like a dictator and dictators were, are, and will be always cowards.

A duel is a game in the more similar possible conditions, money, countries, ranks, etc etc etc, not just setting the money you want and choosing the op country and playing 80% times low ranks.

Anyways, i think the worst of everything is to kick people if they pick Wales cause u know it´s op and u can be defeated, and that´s the only reason cause u pick it, not cause your "supossed trainning"

Give me India in a 50k world 1v1 against Serbia cause it´s what i´ve trained... and remember if u pick India i´ll kick you.

Zitat:

WHOAAAA
Even I didnt say anything about YOUR intelligence (I talked about skills and intelligence in global), seems like you found yourself stupid in my words (repeating: not me, you found that).
gg, well done.
Dont stop bro, keep finding. If nothing, you can work as bloodhound anytime.
Also, I see non agreeing with ur comment makes me rude... lol

ps. I will go in further discussion with you after you quote me, not trying to be smartass by avoiding me to know you commented something on me.

I never said not agreeing with me made you rude but clearly you are being rude by other means. Fine. Just quoted you. I made this forum post so that everyone can voice their opinion. Do you have anything constructive to say or are you going to keep attacking? And no, you didn't directly say anything about my intelligence but you have to understand that you're implying things with some of the garbage that you're intentionally posting.

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Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 12:54

WHOAAAA
Even I didnt say anything about YOUR intelligence (I talked about skills and intelligence in global), seems like you found yourself stupid in my words (repeating: not me, you found that).
gg, well done.
Dont stop bro, keep finding. If nothing, you can work as bloodhound anytime.
Also, I see non agreeing with ur comment makes me rude... lol

ps. I will go in further discussion with you after you quote me, not trying to be smartass by avoiding me to know you commented something on me.

I never said not agreeing with me made you rude but clearly you are being rude by other means. Fine. Just quoted you. I made this forum post so that everyone can voice their opinion. Do you have anything constructive to say or are you going to keep attacking? And no, you didn't directly say anything about my intelligence but you have to understand that you're implying things with some of the garbage that you're intentionally posting.

-I clearly voiced your type of playing (unfairness, kicking, farming narbs...) doesnt belong to offical TOP duellists list (Elo list).
-I clearly said, we see you in way you made yourself look like.
- I clearly tried to explain you are doing wrong with one constructive comparison, because football is competitive game same as atwar is and there are also used strategies
-I clearly tried to explain there is no way rank 3 will beat rank 10 in funny way by comparing that with mine sex with Megan Fox
-I clearly pointed, you are not skilled player.
-I clearly explained why you are not skilled player (by assuming what are skills)
-I clearly tried to motivate you to change yourself in games by telling you that intelligence and skills are closely connected.

- I clearly see your understood nothing of above and your only argument is telling to us, who dont support you, that we are rude or non constructive.

Find some other naive victim who will soak your excuses for being unrespectful, farmer, unskilled, unpopular and etc.
Im out of this shit

Geschrieben von Kord, 07.04.2015 at 11:58

Raul also seems to present a valid and fair point. You say though this game depends deeply on picking turns, but it doesn't. That's just an option Amok and Ivan inserted that doesn't necessarily have to be followed. I certainly don't follow it for picking Wales and the people I have dueled haven't either. I can understand though that perhaps it should be done and will start prepping as York By 15k funds a person can get any of the countries. Champagne is 11k and some change and that's what most people tend to want to go as so for maps which have opposing countries which demand an increase in the starting funds in order to play the starting funds should be higher for those players. Of course, if a player has no intention of playing as Champagne (I think the only country more than 10k on that map) then the starting funds could be reduced to 10k.

You never know what ´s the intention of picking of the other player and, if u ask him, surely would choose wales

So i think it´s an excuse about that 15k, i think u make it cause your own benefit, cause 15k makes wales more op if it´s possible.

If he chooses Champagne he remains 4k, and u remain maybe about 7 or 8k, (i don´t know exactly how much cost wales), so that makes u stronger.

The standard money in a duel is 10k, so u could make it, or u can ask the other player if the settings are ok for him and both be agree with the minutes, the money, etc.

I remember you, you can also duel 3k, 5k, etc, not needed to excuse in that idea for setting 15k and your "trainning".

And i´m pretty sure u would get more skills in low money games than in big ones.

Or, as somebody wrote before, u can set with the other player not to pick Wales, like sometimes is done in ancient duels with Macedonia, so the picks will be really fair.

And certainly u can´t choose who joins in your games, but u have the option to duel them or not if u are a fair person and you see they are low ranks and only could beat you in a 0,00000001% times, that the only one i think it´s if you loose conecction.

I remember you that you can set rank limits in the duels