GG AW

Gg aw, gone too soon. All the bans and mutes. All the policing. All the rule enforcement. For what? 3 games in the main lobby...

Let's stop the dictatorship and bring back the players, or we are going to have no game left.

Game lacks variety. Some kind of seasonal change that brings old players back. Temporary troll strats aren't really a good addition.
EU+ has by design bad balance in 1v1 as Ukraine can abuse the meta while Turkey is stuck with Imperalist. Secondly, there are no viable picks besides Turkey and Ukraine in Europe+.
Italy is troll pick and can be easily countered with GW/Imp/PD Spam Ukraine.

Gg AW give me premium or i leave

Geschrieben von Batman.., 14.03.2019 at 08:14

Gg AW give me premium or i leave

!!!

Theres always no games on atwar late at night (midnight through 3am eastern standard time for me)

There are 5 games max for 20 hours daily... that's terrible statistic.

Why do you think we have to do something with this?

Geschrieben von Sultan of Swing, 14.03.2019 at 08:31

Theres always no games on atwar late at night (midnight through 3am eastern standard time for me)

It's 1 pm.....

Indeed that's terrible stat.

First problem : too many old players left due to :

- stagnation (but Dave undeniably brought fresh blood so patience) ;

- over moderation. Personally the funny'troll and bullying are the mains reasons I stayed that long on this game, cause I had good laugh writing on political correct crap. Then Dave showed up to fix the agressive troll problem. That where it turns ugly. Some mods with no legitimacy, whom are bad players on the side, started to enforce the moderation, banishing all the people who were over the average level of expression. Result of that vict0ry keeps farming noobs H24 but boywind is banned cause he send stupid pictures. Fuckinng mods should chill the hell up (and sultan stop fucking commenting every topic with your crap, as a mod you should talk less, specially taking count of the fact that your opinion is most of the time useless - you just lowering your authority and credibility, on every fucking topic I see you with an ass licking comment and I'm sick of that) ;

Second is the SP problem. SP is too hard to get so it leads a lot of people away.

Old players leaving while news players not coming = failing game

Geschrieben von Sultan of Swing, 14.03.2019 at 08:31

Theres always no games on atwar late at night (midnight through 3am eastern standard time for me)

And we're aiming to fix this with time. Stating it's normalcy like you are is frightening.

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 09:41

Who are you?

Geschrieben von Google, 14.03.2019 at 10:45

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 09:41

Who are you?

kaska/galerius

Geschrieben von Froyer, 14.03.2019 at 10:48

Geschrieben von Google, 14.03.2019 at 10:45

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 09:41

Who are you?

kaska/galerius

Why the alt?

Geschrieben von Google, 14.03.2019 at 11:07

Geschrieben von Froyer, 14.03.2019 at 10:48

Geschrieben von Google, 14.03.2019 at 10:45

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 09:41

Who are you?

kaska/galerius

Why the alt?

U Can pr me or ask around, no need to fill the topic with unrelated subject.

Thank you.

Censored troll elements.

Encouraged "positive" words and flatters.

The first AW public poll our new admin initiated: "Do you agree that AW is less toxic? " Wrong focus tbh.

AW is now cleaner than what my high school was. We are now here to become virtuous person but not for fun. New strats are shit yet people won't speak the truth. Mods and supporters have a leading role of endorsing whatever the admins propose.

AW is now more peaceful and harmonious than ever, which I do agree, but no one can deny that, absence these trolls (or toxicity as you name it), AW is also becoming more boring and inanimate than ever. AW has lost its fun long time ago and now it is losing its soul.

https://atwar-education.com

Dragon said it, game lost it's soul tbh. I hate to say it, but I've started playing less and less after the big "radical" changes.

And I don't think I am the only one.

Wow, you guys are masters at making mountains out of molehills. We start enforcing the same rules that have been here since long before my time, and all of sudden "ohmygerd it's such a radical change".

Unfortunately for your arguments, the numbers don't lie. Our traffic level now is the same as it was since before I took over. Here's a chart for the 4 months from November 1st through end of February:



I took over atWar on December 1st. So this shows you what the traffic was like the month before I started, and in the 3 months since then. As you can see, it's the same.

(Yes, there is unfortunately a gap in the records around the time I took over. The analytics software stopped working mid-November, before I was here. It was fixed soon after I started. But it's irrelevant to the point I'm making here.)

Midnight CST (UTC-6) is ALWAYS the slowest time of the day on atWar. Mondays at midnight are the slowest time of the entire week. This is nothing new. Most people in the USA and Europe are asleep at that time, or preparing to go to work/school in the morning... the only people online are Australians, New Zealanders, and Asia. We have very few Asian players currently, so basically it's just Aussies/Kiwis and a few miscellaneous Zombies from other parts of the world awake at that time.

Do I want the traffic to go up? Of course I do. But the interesting thing here is -- for whatever "hit" we've taken by banning a few toxic players, and for whatever loss from people like Franz who say they are playing "less and less"... nobody seems to have noticed there are more players and games in our Beginners lobby every day. Clearly we have no difficulty finding new players to offset any "losses" elsewhere.

So to the few of you who feel disaffected, maybe you should ask yourself, what are you really so upset about? The changes we are making are so small, and so necessary in order to make the game grow again. Would you really prefer I changed nothing and just let the game stagnate and die?

Either we adapt to some changes, or the game dies a slow death... it's that simple. I choose to make changes.

Geschrieben von Dave, 14.03.2019 at 14:06

" I hate to quote myself but :

First problem : too many old players left due to :

- stagnation (but Dave undeniably brought fresh blood so patience) ;

- over moderation. ;

Second is the SP problem. SP is too hard to get so it leads a lot of people away. "

I know it's hard to see the detail in the charts when I set the date range so large, so here's one more chart to show you what a typical day looks like. This is the chart for yesterday:



Yesterday we hit our lowest point of the day a little late, at about 1:30am. (Most days the low point is right at midnight 12:00am).

Anyway, at that time there were only about 60 players online. Probably half or more of these players were just hanging out in chat and not making any games (that seems to be common). Some of them were making moves in casual games. Probably only a handful were playing quick games in the main or beginners lobbies.

People start coming online around 7-8am, increasing in numbers until peak around 1pm-2pm. This is a very typical pattern for a weekday (the day on the chart being a Wednesday). Friday nights and weekends typically have a lot more traffic. This makes sense, since that's when people are free from work/school.

by the way, all times I mentioned are CST (U.S. Central Standard Time, or UTC-6).

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 14:20

" I hate to quote myself but :

First problem : too many old players left due to :

- stagnation (but Dave undeniably brought fresh blood so patience) ;

- over moderation. ;

Second is the SP problem. SP is too hard to get so it leads a lot of people away. "

I appreciate your point about stagnation and having patience . I wish others would have a little more patience too.

We seem to disagree about what level of moderation is appropriate, but fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

I do agree however that SP is too hard to get. We are discussing adding some new ranks and perhaps changing the existing rank levels, so there is a better progression between ranks. It's still early and nothing has been decided yet, but we are talking about it. If you have any suggestions I'm happy to listen.

Geschrieben von Chess, 14.03.2019 at 07:54

Game lacks variety. Some kind of seasonal change that brings old players back. Temporary troll strats aren't really a good addition.
EU+ has by design bad balance in 1v1 as Ukraine can abuse the meta while Turkey is stuck with Imperalist. Secondly, there are no viable picks besides Turkey and Ukraine in Europe+.
Italy is troll pick and can be easily countered with GW/Imp/PD Spam Ukraine.

I think you are in a wrong thread buddy.

Geschrieben von Kaska, 14.03.2019 at 09:41

Indeed that's terrible stat.

First problem : too many old players left due to :

- stagnation (but Dave undeniably brought fresh blood so patience) ;

- over moderation. Personally the funny'troll and bullying are the mains reasons I stayed that long on this game, cause I had good laugh writing on political correct crap. Then Dave showed up to fix the agressive troll problem. That where it turns ugly. Some mods with no legitimacy, whom are bad players on the side, started to enforce the moderation, banishing all the people who were over the average level of expression. Result of that vict0ry keeps farming noobs H24 but boywind is banned cause he send stupid pictures. Fuckinng mods should chill the hell up (and sultan stop fucking commenting every topic with your crap, as a mod you should talk less, specially taking count of the fact that your opinion is most of the time useless - you just lowering your authority and credibility, on every fucking topic I see you with an ass licking comment and I'm sick of that) ;

Second is the SP problem. SP is too hard to get so it leads a lot of people away.

Old players leaving while news players not coming = failing game

Dude you play in a dead time what do you expect. Basically 12 hours a day atwar is active 8am - 8 pm eastern standard time.

I am not saying you are doing a bad job dave, all I am saying I think the game is losing alot of the veteran players, but on the other hand, it is bringing new players in which is a good thing for the game.

Geschrieben von Dave, 14.03.2019 at 14:31

I appreciate your point about stagnation and having patience . I wish others would have a little more patience too.

We seem to disagree about what level of moderation is appropriate, but fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

I do agree however that SP is too hard to get. We are discussing adding some new ranks and perhaps changing the existing rank levels, so there is a better progression between ranks. It's still early and nothing has been decided yet, but we are talking about it. If you have any suggestions I'm happy to listen.

If you guys are going to change the rank levels, try to change the upgrades list with it. I think someone already made a thread about changing that a while ago, since the most important upgrades are hard to get for a lower rank and only a rank 8/9 has a decent shot playing against a higher rank due to its lack of upgrades.

Thread: https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=39602&topicsearch=&page=1

What would you guys think about reformatting the medals system to reward players more, add more medal tiers, and make them less grindy? I know this would only be one step forward, but we'd have to start somewhere.

Geschrieben von Franz, 14.03.2019 at 15:11

I am not saying you are doing a bad job dave, all I am saying I think the game is losing alot of the veteran players, but on the other hand, it is bringing new players in which is a good thing for the game.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to drive the veteran players away. (With the exception of a very few toxic people who had to go anyway.) Now, some people seem to hate every little thing I do, no matter what it is. But despite this, I actually do consider the wishes of the veteran players in everything I do. It's one of the main reasons I haven't made any big, sweeping changes around here. Instead I'm favoring small, incremental changes and giving people time to adjust. On top of this, as much as possible, I will try to add options so that veteran players can continue playing the game the way they are used to it, and disable any big changes I make for the sake of new players.

I will probably never get any credit for it, but I am doing my best to find the right balance so new and old players can both enjoy the game.

Geschrieben von Dave, 14.03.2019 at 15:28

Geschrieben von Franz, 14.03.2019 at 15:11

I am not saying you are doing a bad job dave, all I am saying I think the game is losing alot of the veteran players, but on the other hand, it is bringing new players in which is a good thing for the game.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to drive the veteran players away. (With the exception of a very few toxic people who had to go anyway.) Now, some people seem to hate every little thing I do, no matter what it is. But despite this, I actually do consider the wishes of the veteran players in everything I do. It's one of the main reasons I haven't made any big, sweeping changes around here. Instead I'm favoring small, incremental changes and giving people time to adjust. On top of this, as much as possible, I will try to add options so that veteran players can continue playing the game the way they are used to it, and disable any big changes I make for the sake of new players.

I will probably never get any credit for it, but I am doing my best to find the right balance so new and old players can both enjoy the game.

I think a big part of the problem is the perception that many veterans players have about the mod and supporter teams, and more precisely that they'll do everything u want them to do, and agree almost all of the time with your opinion. Simply because some of them are teenagers whom don't have a lot of personnal opinion (like those last two strats, i tested them and no, they're not good indeed sorry).

Personally i think u're doing good and your arrival is really positive, u're active and obviously u care about the game. I agree with you that some people will never give u credit either.

But bare in mind that some veterans (which give this game a special soul) are here for troll, laugh and fun, and your current mod team is over reacting (like the campaign against our clan page in holy order of fcd3, that was silly and only made to please u). U should hire new mods and prob tell them to be a little more cool about that, or stop abusing their powers for armless jokes. But since u agreed to agree on our disagreement i think it's just milk under the bridge, was just saying cause i care about the game and i talk with many people, that are disappointed with your arrival only because of the recent change of athmosphere which is a consequence of your moderation policy.

The more we drive players away the less will play... What's the game without players with experience here.... It's a ripple effect, 1 goes and many follow down the line.

Less players = less games = less player...

Beginners might be here but what are we doing for the ones that are leaving...

Geschrieben von JF., 14.03.2019 at 16:07

The more we drive players away the less will play... What's the game without players with experience here.... It's a ripple effect, 1 goes and many follow down the line.

Less players = less games = less player...

Beginners might be here but what are we doing for the ones that are leaving...

... And once again, everything I just said has fallen on deaf ears. I don't know why I even bother. You're only going to hear what you want to hear anyway.