Proof that god exists

Geschrieben von tophat, 14.01.2014 at 14:07

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 14.01.2014 at 03:18

Geschrieben von tophat, 13.01.2014 at 13:00

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 10.01.2014 at 10:03

I belive in God. All of this, the universe and beyond, needs a start. In my religion, God created all of this. As well, you might wonder:
"And, how did God get created? God needs a start....."

In my religion, God existed at all times. God existed all the time, from the start of the universe, before, and after.

What start? Your belief is illogical. Why must there be a start? We simply don't know what created us, or if there is a god, or if there ever was a start. We can't even define what "nothing" is. You're simply substituting what you don't know with god. And hear me out, I'm not insulting here, but I would like to hear your thoughts further because your belief is illogical. Now before you go against me, understand that when I say "illogical" it doesn't mean you're wrong, it means of course that you have no concrete proofs of the existence of god, or your god I should say.

Now, it is undoubtedly faith am I correct? You have faith that god exists because it is more reasonable to believe in his existence and so forth than to believe in nothing right? I'm assuming you grew up in a religious environment correct? Meaning either your parents passed it on to you, or you live in area where religion is prominent. Are you open to accept that you may be incorrect? That other's with other religions might be more correct, or that others with no religious beliefs might be correct? Sorry for the questions, but I need to situate where you're at so that I can either learn from you, disprove you or direct you.

....I suck at debating, so you won, but i still hold tight on my belief.

Why do you hold to your belief then?

God is real, it has more sense than big-bang, is just that the bible is for you to interpret.

There is no start, universe and time always existed, but it was all void, god created the earth in 7 days, all other death planets are product of god experimenting, it would be like a kid playing mine craft until he eventually crafted perfection.

Geschrieben von Tundy, 14.01.2014 at 16:15

God is real, it has more sense than big-bang, is just that the bible is for you to interpret.

There is no start, universe and time always existed, but it was all void, god created the earth in 7 days, all other death planets are product of god experimenting, it would be like a kid playing mine craft until he eventually crafted perfection.

Geschrieben von tophat, 14.01.2014 at 14:07

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 14.01.2014 at 03:18

Geschrieben von tophat, 13.01.2014 at 13:00

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 10.01.2014 at 10:03

I belive in God. All of this, the universe and beyond, needs a start. In my religion, God created all of this. As well, you might wonder:
"And, how did God get created? God needs a start....."

In my religion, God existed at all times. God existed all the time, from the start of the universe, before, and after.

What start? Your belief is illogical. Why must there be a start? We simply don't know what created us, or if there is a god, or if there ever was a start. We can't even define what "nothing" is. You're simply substituting what you don't know with god. And hear me out, I'm not insulting here, but I would like to hear your thoughts further because your belief is illogical. Now before you go against me, understand that when I say "illogical" it doesn't mean you're wrong, it means of course that you have no concrete proofs of the existence of god, or your god I should say.

Now, it is undoubtedly faith am I correct? You have faith that god exists because it is more reasonable to believe in his existence and so forth than to believe in nothing right? I'm assuming you grew up in a religious environment correct? Meaning either your parents passed it on to you, or you live in area where religion is prominent. Are you open to accept that you may be incorrect? That other's with other religions might be more correct, or that others with no religious beliefs might be correct? Sorry for the questions, but I need to situate where you're at so that I can either learn from you, disprove you or direct you.

....I suck at debating, so you won, but i still hold tight on my belief.

Why do you hold to your belief then?

I hold to my belief because i believe in it, as well, i am not good in debating. I am one of those people which stay silent and follow the path.
I am not blind, i am not following my religion because my parents did, i believe in it because it is an unbeaten religion no one can find wrong in.

It is the true word of God, and I actually do not like to discuss and debate, I usally end up on the loser side, but this religion is from God himself, it is completly flawless. Flawless.

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 15.01.2014 at 09:40

Geschrieben von tophat, 14.01.2014 at 14:07

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 14.01.2014 at 03:18

Geschrieben von tophat, 13.01.2014 at 13:00

Geschrieben von Sanguinare, 10.01.2014 at 10:03

I belive in God. All of this, the universe and beyond, needs a start. In my religion, God created all of this. As well, you might wonder:
"And, how did God get created? God needs a start....."

In my religion, God existed at all times. God existed all the time, from the start of the universe, before, and after.

What start? Your belief is illogical. Why must there be a start? We simply don't know what created us, or if there is a god, or if there ever was a start. We can't even define what "nothing" is. You're simply substituting what you don't know with god. And hear me out, I'm not insulting here, but I would like to hear your thoughts further because your belief is illogical. Now before you go against me, understand that when I say "illogical" it doesn't mean you're wrong, it means of course that you have no concrete proofs of the existence of god, or your god I should say.

Now, it is undoubtedly faith am I correct? You have faith that god exists because it is more reasonable to believe in his existence and so forth than to believe in nothing right? I'm assuming you grew up in a religious environment correct? Meaning either your parents passed it on to you, or you live in area where religion is prominent. Are you open to accept that you may be incorrect? That other's with other religions might be more correct, or that others with no religious beliefs might be correct? Sorry for the questions, but I need to situate where you're at so that I can either learn from you, disprove you or direct you.

....I suck at debating, so you won, but i still hold tight on my belief.

Why do you hold to your belief then?

I hold to my belief because i believe in it, as well, i am not good in debating. I am one of those people which stay silent and follow the path.
I am not blind, i am not following my religion because my parents did, i believe in it because it is an unbeaten religion no one can find wrong in.

It is the true word of God, and I actually do not like to discuss and debate, I usally end up on the loser side, but this religion is from God himself, it is completly flawless. Flawless.

I respect your stance. However, there is no religion that is flawless, we simply don't have enough information to affirm that objectively. However, subjectively of course, it is what they call faith. You have faith. I don't. The fact that you have faith does not make the belief in God or in a particular religion entirely true/correct/flawless, there's not enough proof.

But anyhow, thanks for replying from the best of your ability.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 09.01.2014 at 04:30

Why are you so mean? Religion means love, peace, happiness and, let's not forget, Tolerance.

So, if I go out on the streets with a sign that says "I hate black people" all white people hate black people?

And YOU'RE the one making fun of people's logic. LOL

Geschrieben von Fockmeeard, 15.01.2014 at 13:37

So, if I go out on the streets with a sign that says "I hate black people" all white people hate black people?

And YOU'RE the one making fun of people's logic. LOL

It's not the same thing. Because I don't also carry a book around with me which says "Kill the non-believers"

Being a muslim means that you abide by the ALL the rules and teachings of the Quran. That includes killing the "non-believers". If you don't then automatically you're not a muslim, you're just a pretender. Speaking of which, isn't that what you religious people really are?

Taken from the Quran:

"Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing

[4:89]"so take no friends from unbelievers until they flee submit to Islam. But if they turn renegades, seize them and KILL them wherever ye find them"

So, to conclude, if someone is a muslim, then he's automatically a criminal. You try to sound superior but you're stupid as fuck.


Also, I'll try to stay out of the thread as much as possible and let other people discuss. I have developed a very low tolerance for stupidity and will most likely insult someone. Enjoy.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 15.01.2014 at 13:47

Geschrieben von Fockmeeard, 15.01.2014 at 13:37

So, if I go out on the streets with a sign that says "I hate black people" all white people hate black people?

And YOU'RE the one making fun of people's logic. LOL

It's not the same thing. Because I don't also carry a book around with me which says "Kill the non-believers"

Being a muslim means that you abide by the ALL the rules and teachings of the Quran. That includes killing the "non-believers". If you don't then automatically you're not a muslim, you're just a pretender. Speaking of which, isn't that what you religious people really are?

Taken from the Quran:

"Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191"

[4:89]"so take no friends from unbelievers until they flee submit to Islam. But if they turn renegades, seize them and KILL them wherever ye find them"



So, to conclude, if someone is a muslim, then he's automatically a criminal. You try to sound superior but you're stupid as fuck.


Also, I'll try to stay out of the thread as much as possible and let other people discuss. I have developed a very low tolerance for stupidity and will most likely insult someone. Enjoy.

LOL, so just because I make a post in opposition to your ignorance means that I am a stupid religious person? Who said I was religious? Assumptions are dangerous. You also seem to label all religious people as 'sounding superior' as you just did with me when you just assumed I was religious. So, in theory, your logic is: Call him religious for making a post defying mine in a thread about religion, say he's sounding superior, then call him stupid as fuck.

As for your actual argument: I totally agree with your views on Muslims, but you're using one religion to make it sound as if ALL religions are founded on the same writings as Islam is (Though I would agree Christianity has some gray areas and some similarities). My comparison to my sign saying "I hate black people" was not a reference to Muslims with Islam, rather to Islam to all religions in general.

Go back to the 1st page and read my 7th post.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 09.01.2014 at 15:32

So, nobody from the other side?

I know there's someone there reading this right now, thinking we're all gonna go to hell

Come on loser, tell us about your fake god. Yeah, YOU. YOU right there. I dare you

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
So I say to you, Ask and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you.

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

In the name of my king i named this land Alexandria and give you christian name Petar from now you are orthodox christian.

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I respect your stance. However, there is no religion that is flawless, we simply don't have enough information to affirm that objectively. However, subjectively of course, it is what they call faith. You have faith. I don't. The fact that you have faith does not make the belief in God or in a particular religion entirely true/correct/flawless, there's not enough proof.

But anyhow, thanks for replying from the best of your ability.

Yeah, thanks for the little "debate" i guess.

There is no evidence that the events described in Exodus ever happened.The primary evidence that it didn't happen is the fact that there is no evidence that ANY of the events associated with Exodus happened. These alleged events, central to the history of the Israelites are not corroborated in documents external to the Bible or in archaeological findings.
According to Exodus 12:40, the Israelites lived in Egypt for 430 years. Yet for all this time, there is no literary OR archaeological evidence outside the Hebrew Scriptures that records the sojourn of the Israelites in Egypt. There is no mention of Jews or 10 plagues in this extensive history of Egypt.
Egyptians wrote extensively, in their distinctive hieroglyphs, and practiced detailed art that depicted many scenes of Egyptian life yet none depicts any of the 10 plagues. Because they left such a rich legacy, the Egyptians are more familiar to us than perhaps any other ancient civilization.
Most historians agree that at best, the stay in Egypt and the Exodus occurred in a few families and that their private story was expanded and "nationalized" to fit the needs of theological ideology.
The bible says that the "Exodus" consisted of 603,550 able-bodied adult males (not counting Levites) wives, non-fighting men, Levites and children would have brought the total to 1.5 million or more; equivalent to nearly half of the entire Egyptian population of around 3-6 million. After 430 years, the Jews would have been well integrated into the fabric of Egyptian culture and economy. If they were slaves, they would have been even more critical to the economy. The loss of such a huge proportion of the population would have caused havoc to the Egyptian economy, but no evidence of such effect has been found.

Even if god dosn't exist, you should follow the Ten Commandments.

Geschrieben von Goblin, 16.01.2014 at 13:37

Geschrieben von Mr House, 16.01.2014 at 13:34

Even if god dosn't exist, you should follow the Ten Commandments.

no, not all of them ....first 4 would be pointless without god

So you would allow corporations to take sunday from the exploited workers?
Would you let other people steal the role of god?
Would you worship fake religions?
Would you mock the name of a respected figure? (You can, but its a lack of respect)

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 16.01.2014 at 13:27

Geschrieben von wade1916, 16.01.2014 at 12:54

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There are evidences, in the Red Sea, how come on the botton you can find horse shoes, wheels, carriage suspensions, swords and shields? With modern tech scientist discovered those things are from era mention in Moses books. Also jews didnt integrated into egyptian society as egyptians used them as slaves, even if they considered them equal, jews would stay aside, as they did in USSR, Germany or USA, jews doesnt mix with other nations. And yes, Egypt had really hard time after jews were gone, economy was crippled, no slave workforce anymore. Egypt didnt recovered since then, proof is persian invasion, then greek, roman, arab and finally turkish, which left islam till this days.

If they were slaves, they would have been even more critical to the economy. The loss of such a huge proportion of the population would have caused havoc to the Egyptian economy, but NO evidence of such effect has been found. Most historians agree that at best, the stay in Egypt and the Exodus occurred in a few families and that their private story was expanded and "nationalized" to fit the needs of theological ideology.According to Exodus 12:40, the Israelites lived in Egypt for 430 years. Yet for all this time, there is no literary OR archaeological evidence outside the Hebrew Scriptures that records the sojourn of the Israelites in Egypt. There is no mention of Jews or 10 ,plagues in this extensive history of Egypt.

Speaking of the ten commandments, here's the truth, compressed, mixed with comedy. From the beginning, untill 6:24.

There is proof that it was Egyptian workers who built the pramids there are thousnds of workers tombs around the pyramids and they kno they were workers because of the paintings on the walls infact there is soild proof that there was a whole Egyptian city built around the pyramids for the gyptian workers and if there was jews there there would be some evidence and in none of the Egyptians well documented history does it a that jews were a big slave population and wth your comments on Nazism and the jewish genocides I do belive that jews have been percicueted for mny year and in no ay do I deny the holocaust never happened or the other horrible things that have happened to the jewish people im just stating that there is no evidence that the mass exudos ever happened and your talking about ow wstern scientist could be saying this because of a secret agenda I ask you this couldent Israel scientist r Russian/ Chinese scientist have a secret agenda aswell the point is there is no soid PROOF that jews wereused as a massive slave population at this time the only people who say that there was are Christian and jewish scientist when mostly al othe scientist simple state there is not one real soild proof that the jews built the pyramids or that they were mass slaves to the Egyptians no proof and if you can find a reliable scientist that has no religious agenda that says otherwise pls end me link to his/her article

Tonight before saying your prayers, you ought to tell your god about this




Dead Iraqi kids in 1988 after the Halabja poison gas attack. (Iraq-Iran war)

Just one small example out of the other millions of examples. Realize that.

If you still think god is "out there", loves people, helps you and is looking out for you, you are heartless and evil beyond measure.

Bump for George Carlin

We do not know how the universe was created, if it always existed or not, we can't take any theory as a fact.
Religion is based on the belief/faith on something, not on facts and logic. Arguing if God ever existed or not, if there was a creator, etc is pointless. Everyone has their own opinion/point of view/religion.

Geschrieben von Mr House, 16.01.2014 at 13:34

Even if god dosn't exist, you should follow the Ten Commandments.

LOL. That trolling

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.04.2014 at 03:34

Geschrieben von Mr House, 16.01.2014 at 13:34

Even if god dosn't exist, you should follow the Ten Commandments.

LOL. That trolling

that is a hilarious comment. Since the Ten Commandments say you shouldn't kill and other sensible things. You can't debate correctly. Just stop, we'll call it a tie.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 08:26

that is a hilarious comment. Since the Ten Commandments say you shouldn't kill and other sensible things. You can't debate correctly. Just stop, we'll call it a tie.

A tie? But you've lost every single time. In fact, you never had a chance of winning, you brainless fool. You probably still believe in Santa.

You can't make a religious person understand why he is wrong.
You can't armwrestle a man who has no arms.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.04.2014 at 12:04

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 08:26

that is a hilarious comment. Since the Ten Commandments say you shouldn't kill and other sensible things. You can't debate correctly. Just stop, we'll call it a tie.

A tie? But you've lost every single time. In fact, you never had a chance of winning, you brainless fool. You probably still believe in Santa.

You can't make a religious person understand why he is wrong.
You can't armwrestle a man who has no arms.

Unleashed, you are wrong, there are gods, more than one, they exist...in some peoples mind...

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.04.2014 at 12:04

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 08:26

that is a hilarious comment. Since the Ten Commandments say you shouldn't kill and other sensible things. You can't debate correctly. Just stop, we'll call it a tie.

A tie? But you've lost every single time. In fact, you never had a chance of winning, you brainless fool. You probably still believe in Santa.

You can't make a religious person understand why he is wrong.
You can't armwrestle a man who has no arms.

Wrong, I beat you infact. I showed how your logic is downright retarded. I was just being a sport.

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.04.2014 at 12:04

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 08:26

that is a hilarious comment. Since the Ten Commandments say you shouldn't kill and other sensible things. You can't debate correctly. Just stop, we'll call it a tie.

A tie? But you've lost every single time. In fact, you never had a chance of winning, you brainless fool. You probably still believe in Santa.

You can't make a religious person understand why he is wrong.
You can't armwrestle a man who has no arms.

Wrong, I beat you infact. I showed how your logic is downright retarded. I was just being a sport.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 12:59

Wrong, I beat you infact. I showed how your logic is downright retarded. I was just being a sport.

lol, get real kid. You're not even funny

Geschrieben von Unleashed, 01.04.2014 at 13:00

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 12:59

Wrong, I beat you infact. I showed how your logic is downright retarded. I was just being a sport.

lol, get real kid. You're not even funny

Tell me how I am wrong.

Geschrieben von Guest, 24.01.2014 at 09:00

I'm sure me having a Smart TV is God not caring for me. Me getting a gaming PC soon is not God caring for me. Me having an educaton is God not caring for me. Okay.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.04.2014 at 08:15

You don't understand shit about my religion. God, indirectly got me a great life. Seriously, maybe go read the Bible, then come back to debate.

Don't go offline now punk. Answer. Why did God give you good stuff, while giving these kids death? How does that make sense, you cretin? The debate is over, you are done. Gotcha.

Because God is in a way testing you. These kids can still get to Heaven. If people don't help those kids, God knows who He may punish. Some people got lucky, like me. But this means I should also help others.

Geschrieben von Goblin, 01.04.2014 at 13:07

Moses: i bring you the ten commandments from God ...you shall not kill!!!!
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God: go to the land of palestine and kill the people there to take over their land ...
God: oh yea also kill with stones etc. everyone who defies my commands

Worst
Book
Ever

Your logic is that Pope = God.