Ukraine v Russia

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:09

What if Russia bombs (or nukes, if Russia takes it to the extreme) the Middle East, preventing the USA from getting all of that cheap oil, who funds the European countries in NATO. Which means NATO's funding can take a hit. But still, NATO could win. Just with great losses though.

Russia has more nukes than us, but Russia has the same amout of nukes as Nato, all the nukes would destroy the entire world anyways soo....i don't think anyone would even doubt using them
Normal bombs couldn't destroy the entire middle east, Russia doesn't have a lot of Bombers, at least compared to waht they'd need to destroy the entire Middle east.
and the Nato has a lot of troops in the Middle east, so duh...destroying it is gonna be hard

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 12:11

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:09

What if Russia bombs (or nukes, if Russia takes it to the extreme) the Middle East, preventing the USA from getting all of that cheap oil, who funds the European countries in NATO. Which means NATO's funding can take a hit. But still, NATO could win. Just with great losses though.

Russia has more nukes than us, but Russia has the same amout of nukes as Nato, all the nukes would destroy the entire world anyways soo....i don't think anyone would even doubt using them

Not sure if Russia would want to kill the world off.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:51

How will Ukraine win? Kharkiv got overthrown and is now pro Russian. Crimea is pro russian. Many eastern Ukraine regions don't listen to Kiev.

bullshit. i am a kharkivchanin and kharkiv didnt fall. everyone is celebrating maslinitsa and eating blini. no body gives a shit about some guys that got hired by russia to wave some russian flags.

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:18

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:51

How will Ukraine win? Kharkiv got overthrown and is now pro Russian. Crimea is pro russian. Many eastern Ukraine regions don't listen to Kiev.

bullshit. i am a kharkivchanin and kharkiv didnt fall. everyone is celebrating maslinitsa and eating blini. no body gives a shit about some guys that got hired by russia to wave some russian flags.

What if I told you.

They stormed the government buildings and have pro-russians in power.

Also, maslinitsa is awesome as hell. Gimmie all of dat jam blinis.

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Lmao. There is no escape. Try to run from a KA-52 Alligator attack helicopter. And that model is sorta old.

But really, they don't want a nazi like you.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:30

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Lmao. There is no escape. Try to run from a KA-52 Alligator attack helicopter. And that model is sorta old.

But really, they don't want a nazi like you.

there is no one in ukraine that is fascist. No one is a nazi. I do not know where this came from - most likely russia funded protesters to say that maidan was fasict

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:34

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 12:07

i am not 100% sure, but Nato has about 5-10 times the Income of Russia...enough sayed

Income doesnt wage war. Weapon does. Income wont matter when declaration of war passes.

But income = money which = more weapons.

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:34

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:30

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Lmao. There is no escape. Try to run from a KA-52 Alligator attack helicopter. And that model is sorta old.

But really, they don't want a nazi like you.

there is no one in ukraine that is fascist. No one is a nazi. I do not know where this came from - most likely russia funded protesters to say that maidan was fasict

Ofc there isn't. They all got captured by the activists or ran away.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:36

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Why do you oppose? You are russian. Ukrainians are Russians, Russians are ukrainians. All are slavs. You are not different. As long you oppose your nature you will dislike or even hate everything thats russian aka yours.

He opposes since he is like hundrds of millions of other people, he is not the kind of person who can fight wars without getting scared.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:39

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:30

Try to run from a KA-52 Alligator attack helicopter. And that model is sorta old.

KA-52 old? ... Weapons doesnt get old just like that. Dont listen to USA. They are destroying older than 20 years weapon so they can procure new, thus making their factories running. Modern weapon can last for ages. Ak-47 is made 1947 and still holds 1# spot. T-34, t-55, 5-64, t-80 are perfectly fine for modern warzones. Same with SU-17, Su-22, MiG-21, MiG-25.

I said sorta old. And t-24, t-55 and other old weapons wont do shit against a modern abrams, which would have much more equipment, and other technological advantages.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:42

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:35

But income = money which = more weapons.

Nope. US spent 200 billions on F-35 program, it failed, they made another F-16 by characteristics. While Russia is spending 2 billions on new programs like SU-35, MiG-35, SU-47 Berkut and steadily increase their superiority. No fails. America is wasting money. Their officer wages are 30,000$, Russians are 3000$. Thats why US military budget is 700 billion and Russian is 80 billion. USA is wasting cash on fail programs and high salaries.

But with money you can still buy more resources, weapons, vehicles etc.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:46

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:42

I said sorta old. And t-24, t-55 and other old weapons wont do shit against a modern abrams, which would have much more equipment, and other technological advantages.

I was tank driver. Give me T-34 and i will destroy atleast 10 Abrams. Especially today with all these new cheap equipement. You do know you can ''boost'' old weapons? Replace 85mm gun on t-34 with 100mm gun from T-44, replace engine from 520h/p with T-44 engine of 600h/p. Abrams doesnt stand a chance against slopped armor and 100mm gun. Not to mention t-55, t-64, t-80 boosted. That mean Russia can pull out 100,000 tanks from reserve and make them ready for war in 1 week, while USA will rely on 6000 abrams.

I thought you were for some reason, implying WW2 era tanks can take out modern tanks, my apoligies.

Also, leader of Pravi Sector called out to Russia's most wanted terrorists to act against Russia. Dafuq is this shit.

Third thread I see about Ukraine and Russia

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 11:56

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 11:43

They didn't attempt to conquer the entire world in The Great War, they stood up for their ally, and were betrayed by Russia.

They only lost due to American intervention, which was in the wrong, due to them secretly shipping war materials to the Entente- Something incredibly idiotic and against American will- and then having their ship sunk. Now look at Germany today: It's lost both World Wars, yet still controls Europe by the balls. What has Russia done, other than crumble into oblivion, and allow for inequality and Fascism to spread rampant within it's borders?

Russia wasnt German ally. Austria and Germany canceled alliance 1870' i think. Russia made alliance with France and later expanded it with UK. Russia and Serbia had long-blood alliance since they are both slavic, so mess with Serbia and you will have Russia on your back. Germany knew that, yet they invaded Serbia with Austria. And they failed, losing their empires.

Pan-Slavism insisted on drilling apart the Austro-Hunarian throne from the very beginning. Was it not Russia who insisted upon annexing Rumania, giving Macedonia to Bulgaria, and stealing land from the Austrians to gift to the Servs? Then, when Wilhelm II and Nicholas II attempted to make peace, was it not Nicholas who betrayed Wilhelm? Was it not the insistence of the Allied Entente to dismantle German lands for their own benefit since the moderation of said lands by Bismarck 30 years beforehand? the Austro-Hungarian and German empires were allied to the very end, putting beside their minor differences. Servia, and the rest of the Slavic nations, insisted upon shadow wars against the German Machine, which, to this day, still stands as a better alternative to unified Slavic nations, as said Slavs wanted. The Germans had no choice but to fight, when all of their hopes of peace were scratched away by the opposition. Even Italy, their pro forma Ally, bugged out for more power, devaluing honor amongst itself. The scars of this war have been mended, whichever way you look at it, though, as the only bastions of civilization left in Europe happen to be in those countries which lost the Great War.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:36

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Why do you oppose? You are russian. Ukrainians are Russians, Russians are ukrainians. All are slavs. You are not different. As long you oppose your nature you will dislike or even hate everything thats russian aka yours.

I am cossack and polish mix. NOT russians. Thats a pretty big mistake. It can even be argued that I am not even slav.

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 13:00

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:36

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 12:25

Wait. holy crap. if russia takes kharkiv then i will be forced into russian military service. fuck you russia im not going to siberia they cant catch me

Why do you oppose? You are russian. Ukrainians are Russians, Russians are ukrainians. All are slavs. You are not different. As long you oppose your nature you will dislike or even hate everything thats russian aka yours.

I am cossack and polish mix. NOT russians. Thats a pretty big mistake. It can even be argued that I am not even slav.

But Poles are Slavs.

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 13:04

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 13:00

I am cossack and polish mix. NOT russians. Thats a pretty big mistake. It can even be argued that I am not even slav.

But Poles are Slavs.

I just told you i am COSSACK.

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 13:06

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 13:04

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 13:00

I am cossack and polish mix. NOT russians. Thats a pretty big mistake. It can even be argued that I am not even slav.

But Poles are Slavs.

I just told you i am COSSACK.

You are part Slav. You are a mix of cossack and polish, you just said that.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:34

Income doesnt wage war. Weapon does. Income wont matter when declaration of war passes.

The sinews of war are infinite money.

- Cicero

War is not so much a matter of weapons, as of money.

- Cicero

Ottoman Joined the Central Powers only because they had a lot of debt to the germans, Italy joined entente only because they had a lot of debt to the Frenchs and Brits...
from my Opinion China is the greatest power these days

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 12:46

I was tank driver. Give me T-34 and i will destroy atleast 10 Abrams. Especially today with all these new cheap equipement. You do know you can ''boost'' old weapons? Replace 85mm gun on t-34 with 100mm gun from T-44, replace engine from 520h/p with T-44 engine of 600h/p. Abrams doesnt stand a chance against slopped armor and 100mm gun. Not to mention t-55, t-64, t-80 boosted. That mean Russia can pull out 100,000 tanks from reserve and make them ready for war in 1 week, while USA will rely on 6000 abrams.

EDIT: same with planes, MiG-21 with parts of MiG-29, SU-17/19 with parts of SU-27, just replace modules with reserve parts of modern planes, that way Russian Air Force will have +20,000 additional aircrafts, while USA will rely on high-tech 2000 F-16. MiG-21 with strong radar will find F-16, lock it and shoot it down on 80km, while F-16 would expect such an old plane will ''dogfight'' him.

sounds like German Tanks...they had an K/D Ratio of 10 to 1 but they were a 22th of the tanks the US had in WW2

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 13:33

Geschrieben von x___, 01.03.2014 at 13:06

I just told you i am COSSACK.

Cossacks are slavs as well as poles, ukranians, russians, belorussians, serbs, croats, slovenes, bosniaks.

they are all slavs, but More than Ethnic groups, languanges make people

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 13:40

There are no major differences between polish and czech, or ukrainian and russian, or croatian and serbian. Slavic language is same, insignificant difference is because of vast territory slavic people inhabit. From Warsaw and Prague on the west, Kiev and Moscow on the east and Zagreb and Beograd on the south. It is normal to change dialect and prouncment of particular words after 1000 years.

well, if this is true (i am not from the balkaans) you are totaly right

Geschrieben von Guest, 01.03.2014 at 12:53

Third thread I see about Ukraine and Russia

Yeah why do these crazy people make threads about unimportant shit

fuckem man

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 13:38

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 01.03.2014 at 13:18

The sinews of war are infinite money.
- Cicero
War is not so much a matter of weapons, as of money.
- Cicero

Roman Empire was capitalists. Back then they didnt had communism. In USSR economic planners set quotas on everything that have to be produced, money dont play major role then. Same in Russia(and China). President can set quotas and that have to be produced. Especially in wartime. There is no time to pay, recieve checks, sign treaties. Even England did that in WW2. English government confiscated and collectivized heavy industry, light industry, and even set quotas on small businesses. Thus english economy wasnt much different in WW2 from Soviet economy.

Thats true, but confiscating Rich industry is more helpfull than confiscating bancroupt and totaly inefficent Industry

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 13:59

For war, you need production, not trade. If those companies bankcroupted thats because they were unable to sell their products and pay their workers(i simplified). When State take control over that company, it can produce goods again, just those goods are now war effort, it will go straight to the front, while workers will get colorful paper called token to buy food.

thats waht i am talking about...

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 01.03.2014 at 14:09

Russia doubled it recently, so if there says 19%, now must be 30%.

Funny, but Germany tripled arms export since 2011, not many people knows that, i guess they doesnt read that stuff. So if there says Germany 6%, now it is 18%. They are back on the market. Just, they produce small arms(pistols, rifles and snipers), no destroyers, submarines, fighters, radars. They are not allowed yet. I think they will start to produce that as well in near future, so percentage will raise to atleast 30%. Until then Chinas arms export will jump from 2% to 10%, completing the monopoly of USA/Germany/Russia 90% and China's 10% (100%)

the most Weapons Germany exports are Tanks and Destroyers :/

and, even if Russia would be 30% now, thats still less than 60% Nato...duh

and Russias weaponery Exports look like this:2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012
__________4,0 4,3 5,8 5,6 5,2 6,12 6,12 5,12 5,16 5,61 6,71 5,88 8,97 8,62
as you can see, Russias exports Doubled UNTIL 2011, not before that date

Ukraine is Russia.

If we talk about politics, nowdays are the best days for Russia to do something in order to improve their status, we'v seen NATO got invovled in their buisness and humilated them since they colleapsed (intervation in serbia, syria, georgia..), and everyone is talking about that their economy is coleapsing, and for some reason, for hundreds of years, the leaders russia (and USSR if you want), are looking for influence in every piece of soil in the world where the waters are'nt frozen (I can think about few reasons economical, political, militarial and etc..), When Syria tested Obama's red line (and the second one, and the third..), they discovered that the west is unable to go for war, because of pressures from home, so as i said, if Russia wants to do something to improve their status, that's the right time (and ofcourse, it's only how it looks from the reported events, maybe there was something else beyond the scenes, we the simple people can never know if what we see is really what is going on).

The Ukrainian army is very qualitative considered to its economical abilities, but we don't really know who its hard and sword belong to, and I don't think they will have enough time to get enough soldiers to stop marching russing army to kiev (ofcourse the chance such an action will happen is low), especially if the russian population will suppurt them, pictures of the russian army in kiev will be status changer for them, when everyone talking about the chinese dragon claiming for the crown, people will see you have a bare who survived and threats the palace (europe).