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Verfasst von The Tactician, 28.06.2014 - 06:58
Hallo my fellow at-warriors. I honestly couldn't suppress the urge to bitch about this picking things in CWs because of a situation that happened. We were starting a CW with CT all going well, and then the picks began. It seems their plan over the next three remakes what to get Karsan as Spain(which is fine if you can handle a uk germ combo...) . So we got first pick Stryko picked Ukr, Innate Turk (which is a fair east for east, now every time gets a west powerhouse and we're fine), Desu went Germany, and then Karsan Spain. This is where things shifted. Karsan picked Spain instead of Germany , and that gave me the opportunity to go UK which is the 2nd west powerhouse. So I did. Now all the "lol"/" no uk germany"/"noob" comments happen and the answer is really simple. You gave it to us. The thing is, certain clans want certain people to play certain countries. That is honestly very single minded. Good clans should the goal of all members being able to play all countries. The other clans hide behind the illusion of the "no uk germ" rule because they can't play all countries and have to pick one particular country and expect their other clan mate to pick it because of this rule. That is not versatile. People are getting so used to the west+powerhouse+east setup that its just a series of dull memorization and application. Yes this setup is the most balanced and the most used, but that does not mean people can't adapt to getting stuck with uk germ or turk ukraine. If someone picks Spain over Germany thats their fault. More so if people pick west (cuz they can't play was and they have a better west combo) so their teammate gets east using the leverage of the no turk ukr rule then by all means the other clan picks east. You gave up on the opportunity to get the stronger country because you can't play that then its your fault for your incapability. Besides, UK Germany combo is beatable. Stronger, but beatable. Ukr Turk is even stronger but then again its your fault for letting such a crucial pick slip. So please stop hiding behind the no uk germ rule and start manning up and play any country. This rule only encourages mechanic moves because used to playing a certain country in a certain combo.

Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )


PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.
01.07.2014 - 08:20
I agree with you Jugers there needs to be more attention to training low ranks even though some are trying to. Yes its wrong to say play PD and nothing but PD because thats boring and winning with something else is better than winning with PD.
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01.07.2014 - 08:28
Geschrieben von The Tactician, 01.07.2014 at 08:20

I agree with you Jugers there needs to be more attention to training low ranks even though some are trying to. Yes its wrong to say play PD and nothing but PD because thats boring and winning with something else is better than winning with PD.

As i saied before u try to win with every start u must try to win with none.If u manage it then u can with every start.Why if i must defend i must go pd?I can easy defend with RA and DS more easyly than PD.
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01.07.2014 - 10:55
Blitzkrieg Turkey
GC Ukraine
Imp France
GW Germany
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01.07.2014 - 11:13
This was cancerous to read you all need to take some xanax or something
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03.07.2014 - 10:42


SM likes to pick a spot when people leave them open.... but they dont like when someone do the same against them
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03.07.2014 - 12:35
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Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 10:42

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SM likes to pick a spot when people leave them open.... but they dont like when someone do the same against them


this thread is about CWs not 3v3.

Anyways, you can ask illyrification or skend/bullet/beli since we played against Ukr/Turk combo in a CW about 2 weeks ago. (and won)
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03.07.2014 - 13:58
Geschrieben von Guest, 03.07.2014 at 12:35

Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 10:42

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SM likes to pick a spot when people leave them open.... but they dont like when someone do the same against them


this thread is about CWs not 3v3.

Anyways, you can ask illyrification or skend/bullet/beli since we played against Ukr/Turk combo in a CW about 2 weeks ago. (and won)


Dare to try it against us?. If my mind doesnt fail went top and acqui where on Syndicate we accepted a cw vs SM turk/ukraine, and we had very good chances to win it.

If you guys act like that on 3vs3.... what make us think you wouldnt do that on cw? And then call syndicate troll clan.... Shoots you guys deserve a tropy. Serious.
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03.07.2014 - 14:08
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Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 13:58

Dare to try it against us?. If my mind doesnt fail went top and acqui where on Syndicate we accepted a cw vs SM turk/ukraine, and we had very good chances to win it.


Yeah, when top and acq were in Syndicate they always accepted Ukr/Turk combo like 3times I think, dunno what happened since then

"Dare to try it against us?"
- So you're saying that you won't have anything against Ukr/Turk combos in the future? Also, I'm not saying that we can 100% beat the combo since it is the toughest to beat.
The point of this thread is to make people understand that you cannot "reserve" picks and therefore we will take whichever country that gives us an advantage.
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03.07.2014 - 14:10
Geschrieben von Guest, 03.07.2014 at 14:08

Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 13:58

Dare to try it against us?. If my mind doesnt fail went top and acqui where on Syndicate we accepted a cw vs SM turk/ukraine, and we had very good chances to win it.


Yeah, when top and acq were in Syndicate they always accepted Ukr/Turk combo like 3times I think, dunno what happened since then

"Dare to try it against us?"
- So you're saying that you won't have anything against Ukr/Turk combos in the future? Also, I'm not saying that we can 100% beat the combo since it is the toughest to beat.
The point of this thread is to make people understand that you cannot "reserve" picks and therefore we will take whichever country gives us an advantage.


Huge contradiction on your first reply and your second one.

" The point of this thread is to make people understand that you cannot "reserve" picks and therefore we will take whichever country give us an advantage".

Sure bro. But if the other clan do it again you then you guys just kick them right? ._. STOP THIS DAMM TROLLING.
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03.07.2014 - 14:29
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Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 14:10

Huge contradiction on your first reply and your second one.

" The point of this thread is to make people understand that you cannot "reserve" picks and therefore we will take whichever country give us an advantage".

Sure bro. But if the other clan do it again you then you guys just kick them right? ._. STOP THIS DAMM TROLLING.


If you actually READ my first post again, you'll see that we DID play against ukr/turk combo, so there really isn't any contradiction.

Trolling? Every post you make is a troll-post, I just don't want some idiot trying to ruin my clan's reputation because he was butthurt+kicked.

TBH it's mainly you in Syndicate who is against the combo and have influenced other members. If Spart had been really active I'm pretty sure Syndicate would be on the same page as us.
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03.07.2014 - 15:33
Yea its funny how Clovis has an opinion on how to run CW's and HIS OWN CLAN LEADER accepts "pick anything and if you don't prevent combos its your fault" theory. Anyway, I knew when I kicked you you'd go and do this. Read what I had sent in chat " k clovis this is punishment for ur trolling". NOT for picking Ukraine.

PS: You're still retarded. Your ally was first and went Turk then I picked Greece for lols, then you picked Ukraine. We didn't pick two west in a row and did not reserve east for the last pick. Read the whole thread and posts and then it might just surpass you're god damned thick skull.


Without our 2nd pick we can't stop you (like first turn wf) from taking a second east. With a 2nd pick we could. I hope you understand the difference. If you don't which you probably won't then please gtfo of this thread. Its for logical people only.
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03.07.2014 - 18:04
Clovis is sexy, but he is wrong
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03.07.2014 - 18:42
Geschrieben von Guest, 03.07.2014 at 14:29

Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 14:10

Huge contradiction on your first reply and your second one.

" The point of this thread is to make people understand that you cannot "reserve" picks and therefore we will take whichever country give us an advantage".

Sure bro. But if the other clan do it again you then you guys just kick them right? ._. STOP THIS DAMM TROLLING.


If you actually READ my first post again, you'll see that we DID play against ukr/turk combo, so there really isn't any contradiction.

Trolling? Every post you make is a troll-post, I just don't want some idiot trying to ruin my clan's reputation because he was butthurt+kicked.

TBH it's mainly you in Syndicate who is against the combo and have influenced other members. If Spart had been really active I'm pretty sure Syndicate would be on the same page as us.


SM only play against noob turk/ukr.... otherwise you guys would has just kicked them like Tac did against me, for a "legitm pick" according to SM.
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03.07.2014 - 19:20
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Geschrieben von clovis1122, 03.07.2014 at 18:42

SM only play against noob turk/ukr.... otherwise you guys would has just kicked them like Tac did against me, for a "legitm pick" according to SM.


False accusations, what's new? Tact kicked you for trolling (read his post!)
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03.07.2014 - 20:38
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Err I just wanna point out that if the no ukr/trk uk/germ combo rule isn't applied, the second team will be obligated to pick its "counter", and therefore the first team can choose between both, UK and germ and ukr and trk (cough, UK-Trk op, cough)
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04.07.2014 - 04:27
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Geschrieben von Guest, 03.07.2014 at 20:38

Err I just wanna point out that if the no ukr/trk uk/germ combo rule isn't applied, the second team will be obligated to pick its "counter", and therefore the first team can choose between both, UK and germ and ukr and trk (cough, UK-Trk op, cough)


Yes.

Geschrieben von Leaf, 29.06.2014 at 22:04

I should probably remind all of you why simply preventing a combination of countries that may provide an advantage to one side by picking it yourself has nothing wrong with it. Firstly, it's easy as fuck to do. Secondly, if you do have a mutual agreement on neither teams obtaining an advantageous combination, it will not change a single thing. Why? Because either way, one team will have Turkey OR Ukraine and UK OR Germany. This is exactly what goes on now, unless you were retarded with your picks. That's your fault, not the game or anyone else's. Not only that, it actually and obviously limits the combinations of countries you can play with. We're already limited with choices because everyone wants to pick the countries that give the best chances (refer to Desu/Barrymore's picture) and I don't think anyone wants even more restrictions.


If you see that as a problem, I don't think it's right to blame it on what is being discussed here, but rather on the map itself.

Geschrieben von Leaf, 29.06.2014 at 22:04

TL;DR if your argument is that picking is unfair, then you're basically saying that the map is broken, or rather, unfit to be playing competitive matches on because of the restriction it provides.
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04.07.2014 - 06:30
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TBH it's mainly you in Syndicate who is against the combo and have influenced other members. If Spart had been really active I'm pretty sure Syndicate would be on the same page as us.


OMG THIS ^
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Geschrieben von Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

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04.07.2014 - 08:13
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Geschrieben von Waffel, 04.07.2014 at 06:30

TBH it's mainly you in Syndicate who is against the combo and have influenced other members. If Spart had been really active I'm pretty sure Syndicate would be on the same page as us.


OMG THIS ^


Inb4 minus already disagreed with you guys. All spart posted was "agreed", without any argument. Bla stop fragmenting Syndicate.
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04.07.2014 - 08:50
So because minus disagreed with us> a newcomer means it must be true? lawl.
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Geschrieben von Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

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06.07.2014 - 16:52
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Geschrieben von Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

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06.07.2014 - 22:39
Geschrieben von The Tactician, 28.06.2014 at 06:58

Hallo my fellow at-warriors. I honestly couldn't suppress the urge to bitch about this picking things in CWs because of a situation that happened. We were starting a CW with CT all going well, and then the picks began. It seems their plan over the next three remakes what to get Karsan as Spain(which is fine if you can handle a uk germ combo...) . So we got first pick Stryko picked Ukr, Innate Turk (which is a fair east for east, now every time gets a west powerhouse and we're fine), Desu went Germany, and then Karsan Spain. This is where things shifted. Karsan picked Spain instead of Germany , and that gave me the opportunity to go UK which is the 2nd west powerhouse. So I did. Now all the "lol"/" no uk germany"/"noob" comments happen and the answer is really simple. You gave it to us. The thing is, certain clans want certain people to play certain countries. That is honestly very single minded. Good clans should the goal of all members being able to play all countries. The other clans hide behind the illusion of the "no uk germ" rule because they can't play all countries and have to pick one particular country and expect their other clan mate to pick it because of this rule. That is not versatile. People are getting so used to the west+powerhouse+east setup that its just a series of dull memorization and application. Yes this setup is the most balanced and the most used, but that does not mean people can't adapt to getting stuck with uk germ or turk ukraine. If someone picks Spain over Germany thats their fault. More so if people pick west (cuz they can't play was and they have a better west combo) so their teammate gets east using the leverage of the no turk ukr rule then by all means the other clan picks east. You gave up on the opportunity to get the stronger country because you can't play that then its your fault for your incapability. Besides, UK Germany combo is beatable. Stronger, but beatable. Ukr Turk is even stronger but then again its your fault for letting such a crucial pick slip. So please stop hiding behind the no uk germ rule and start manning up and play any country. This rule only encourages mechanic moves because used to playing a certain country in a certain combo.

Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )


PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.


funny that tact is complaining about this and is in favor of OP combos. If a 12,10,7 CWs a 11,9,9 and the 11 gets 1st pick and goes turk, the 7 gets 2nd pick (he hasn't mastered ukr and is good as spain and uk, he isn't ready at all and that is clearly obvious) why should you force him to pick, I understand that everyone should play all but in Clan Wars everyone always states that CWs aren't the time for experimenting esp against a good clan. Why the heck is a player forced then to do this. It is called common sense, if it was done to you maybe you wouldn't complain but that is your own fault. Perhaps a west-team can win but that doesn't matter its the fact that you want to ignore how CWs are done because you feel like exploiting people who cant play a certain nation well enough to win
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07.07.2014 - 05:48
Geschrieben von Waffel, 04.07.2014 at 08:50

So because minus disagreed with us> a newcomer means it must be true? lawl.


What? minus DISAGREED? You guys are in trouble tbh
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07.07.2014 - 06:36
Geschrieben von Unleasheds Wrath, 07.07.2014 at 05:48

Geschrieben von Waffel, 04.07.2014 at 08:50

So because minus disagreed with us> a newcomer means it must be true? lawl.


What? minus DISAGREED? You guys are in trouble tbh

Syndi without spart active is in trouble thats true.
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07.07.2014 - 06:45
Spart is the only original Syndicate member left. Syndicate was Spart, Cronus, Mathdino, Primal, Paolo, knobhead, Millenial, El Cock. And for a little while, Unleashed.

Syndicate doesn't really exist anymore if you ask me.
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07.07.2014 - 07:26
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PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.


funny that tact is complaining about this and is in favor of OP combos. If a 12,10,7 CWs a 11,9,9 and the 11 gets 1st pick and goes turk, the 7 gets 2nd pick (he hasn't mastered ukr and is good as spain and uk, he isn't ready at all and that is clearly obvious) why should you force him to pick, I understand that everyone should play all but in Clan Wars everyone always states that CWs aren't the time for experimenting esp against a good clan. Why the heck is a player forced then to do this. It is called common sense, if it was done to you maybe you wouldn't complain but that is your own fault. Perhaps a west-team can win but that doesn't matter its the fact that you want to ignore how CWs are done because you feel like exploiting people who cant play a certain nation well enough to win


Just for the record, I wont mind because most of you people dont know the old kind of cw's but ukr/turk combo has always been an option for ever in this game. No body but NOBODY cried if some1 took ukr/turk combo or uk/germ combo, it takes balls to play against it and with it, since ukr/turk have lack of income and their ally mostly is uk/france or whatever, dies fast. They wont have that much funding. Funny thing is you guys always bail for everything that looks scared. Same for the low ranked RP people, I asked why they ally so much and they said because of the high rankers look scarry and are not sure if they could beat them. Looks little bit like this problem...
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07.07.2014 - 07:26
Geschrieben von Unleasheds Wrath, 07.07.2014 at 06:45

Spart is the only original Syndicate member left. Syndicate was Spart, Cronus, Mathdino, Primal, Paolo, knobhead, Millenial, El Cock. And for a little while, Unleashed.

Syndicate doesn't really exist anymore if you ask me.

Dont forget waffel bitch D:
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Geschrieben von Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

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07.07.2014 - 07:29
You came way later after that, Syndicate was already no more.
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07.07.2014 - 07:48
Geschrieben von Unleasheds Wrath, 07.07.2014 at 07:29

You came way later after that, Syndicate was already no more.

Lol bullcrap, I was in it before you tho? lolz. Even tho idc.
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Geschrieben von Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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07.07.2014 - 07:57
Geschrieben von Waffel, 07.07.2014 at 07:48

Geschrieben von Unleasheds Wrath, 07.07.2014 at 07:29

You came way later after that, Syndicate was already no more.

Lol bullcrap, I was in it before you tho?



LOLOL

k who cares anyway
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07.07.2014 - 08:44
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Geschrieben von Quantum027, 06.07.2014 at 22:39

I understand that everyone should play all but in Clan Wars everyone always states that CWs aren't the time for experimenting esp against a good clan. Why the heck is a player forced then to do this. It is called common sense, if it was done to you maybe you wouldn't complain but that is your own fault. Perhaps a west-team can win but that doesn't matter its the fact that you want to ignore how CWs are done because you feel like exploiting people who cant play a certain nation well enough to win


...what? I'm not sure what you're saying, nor do I understand much of your argument, but take a look into game theory.
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