Help us find a solution to the recent defence bonus changes

Geschrieben von joedtaxi, 11.09.2015 at 11:02

Put everything back to the way it was before you fucked things up plz

Geschrieben von The Tactician, 11.09.2015 at 15:53

Geschrieben von minusSeven, 11.09.2015 at 08:11

+1 attack of tanks against only infs for strats like gc ,ra , imp , hw
+1 attack of bombers against only infs in sm
+1 attack of helicopters against only infs in DS
+1 attack of stealth marines against only infs in mos and gw
+1 attack of destroyers against only infs in nc(this one I am not fully sure is required)
I have left out IF and lb since I don't feel they individually need nerf. Nerfing of pd makes no sense now since it wasn't boosted. Simply 1 bug was fixed.

This, but no boost to RA and give tanks +10 cost and the tweaks that were gonna happen before (boosting bombers and destroyers). Also +1 attack for HW militia, marines, and tanks against inf (maybe its finally more playable). I also think IF and LB need a boost because they have cost limitations (IF's being no cost nerf compared to PD). This way you slightly boost both offense and defense and keep it at the ratio it was before -at the expense of easier neutral inf expansion- and don't have one clearly stronger strategy.

Geschrieben von Waffel, 11.09.2015 at 15:38

Just delete the city bonus... It is unlogical that we have this ''bonus'' in the first place. ON ALL STRATS.

Geschrieben von Exo-K, 13.09.2015 at 06:02

Umm, so RA now has -1 in cities... and 9attack RA tanks are now fighting 9defence PD infantry (since PD inf 7def + 1 for in city and +1 vs tanks)

is there any reason to build tanks anymore :/

to clarify PD was buffed from already being strong before all these changes (as in pre bug fix)
and RA was nerfed?

Geschrieben von Permamuted, 13.09.2015 at 06:14

Geschrieben von Exo-K, 13.09.2015 at 06:02

Umm, so RA now has -1 in cities... and 9attack RA tanks are now fighting 9defence PD infantry (since PD inf 7def + 1 for in city and +1 vs tanks)

is there any reason to build tanks anymore :/

to clarify PD was buffed from already being strong before all these changes (as in pre bug fix)
and RA was nerfed?

This ^ RA and PD are broken, RA was already broken(due to an accidental boost by ivan that wasnt asked for), but now pd has an added +1 def to inf and militia compared to what it had originally before the change where people already considered it op.

Geschrieben von Amok, 11.09.2015 at 03:30

As you all know, the recent fix to make the city & defence line defence bonuses actually work had affected the game balance. We release that this had made some people unhappy and frustrated, hence the need to find some sort of solution.
So may I suggest that everyone posts their solution to this problem (nerfs/buffs/etc) or upvotes if someone's already proposed it? Please no offtopic or discussion here, just the proposals. Also make sure you've checked the existing ones first to avoid duplicates. Simply upvote if it's already been posted. I must stress that completely reverting the changes and reintroducing the bug back is not an option.

Also, please check out this thread first: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=21511

Cheers!

Geschrieben von Lemonade, 13.09.2015 at 15:44

Hello Amok,

why did you remove the city bonus for infantry? Many people agreed my suggestion

Geschrieben von Amok, 14.09.2015 at 02:43

Geschrieben von Lemonade, 13.09.2015 at 15:44

Hello Amok,

why did you remove the city bonus for infantry? Many people agreed my suggestion

To make the balance the same as it was before, essentially.

Geschrieben von Amok, 14.09.2015 at 02:43

Geschrieben von Lemonade, 13.09.2015 at 15:44

Hello Amok,

why did you remove the city bonus for infantry? Many people agreed my suggestion

To make the balance the same as it was before, essentially.

Geschrieben von Exo-K, 13.09.2015 at 06:02

is there any reason to build tanks anymore :/

Geschrieben von clovis1122, 14.09.2015 at 06:25

Relentless Attack and Blitzkrieg doesn't use this bonus because their strategy nullify it. The Nerf had made them stronger. Now the offensive strategies are strong and PD cannot match their attack (7 def vs 8 attack for most offensive units, 8 vs 9 if it is PD vs RA).

I would had love if the +1 def to both militias and infantries had waited a time before taking it back. I mean, we didn't even got to test it to see if it is really as "OP" as people says...

Geschrieben von clovis1122, 14.09.2015 at 06:25

Relentless Attack and Blitzkrieg doesn't use this bonus because their strategy nullify it. The Nerf had made them stronger. Now the offensive strategies are strong and PD cannot match their attack (7 def vs 8 attack for most offensive units, 8 vs 9 if it is PD vs RA).

I would had love if the +1 def to both militias and infantries had waited a time before taking it back. I mean, we didn't even got to test it to see if it is really as "OP" as people says...

Geschrieben von Exo-K, 13.09.2015 at 06:02

is there any reason to build tanks anymore :/

You've forgot that Infantries only have 4 attack. Expanding with them is a mess.

Geschrieben von Guest, 14.09.2015 at 09:16

Hmm I recall that it was a bug, and if I'm not mistake AlexMeza was saying that sometimes the defense bonus worked so I agree that making it 0 has made PD considerably weaker. This means that PD had +1 defense (compared to other inf based strat) only sometimes. I'm not sure what the next step is to make that balance, maybe make +1 militia for PD but we'll see what people suggest I guess.

Geschrieben von Guest, 14.09.2015 at 10:24

I guess we can say there's no proof of it as of now, but if PD is "unchanged" in this state, then it is pretty weak in 3 way battles. boosts/nerfs we need to be careful and not just like any idea.