Who were the bad guys in the crusades?

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 21.10.2015 at 12:39

dude, you complain about people calling you a liar, but even your signature is a lie.

you are using the mercator projection for that comparison, but thats just wrong, this is how russia and the USA really compare:



(russia: ~17.000.000 km² USA: ~9.800.000 km²)

Geschrieben von Tirpitz406, 21.10.2015 at 12:48

dude, you complain about people calling you a liar, but even your signature is a lie.

you are using the mercator projection for that comparison, but thats just wrong, this is how russia and the USA really compare:



(russia: ~17.000.000 km² USA: ~9.800.000 km²)

'even your signature is a lie' <--- this made my day

>compares america and russia
>my signature is america and soviet union

Did you forgot your medicine again tirpie?

Or West still think USSR exist? Not sure... if west still tell people eebul ussr is there to invade yurop and murika. Probably does, since orwellianism is their ideology. I've heard many western people calling Russia USSR and USSR Russia.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 21.10.2015 at 12:55

'even your signature is a lie' <--- this made my day

>compares america and russia
>my signature is america and soviet union

Did you forgot your medicine again tirpie?

dude, this doesnt change the fundamental bias of your signature because you are using the mercator projection. in your signature the soviet union looks like it was ~5 times as big as the USA, though in reality it was ~22.000.000 km² wich is roughly twice as big

and when you "debate" you do exactly the same thing, you use historical bias, maps and "facts" that distort reality, to make whatever shit country you want to get off on seem better/bigger/richer than it actually was/is

Geschrieben von theFuehrer, 21.10.2015 at 12:40

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 17.10.2015 at 21:07

You go by your relations with a religion or country, i go by the real history here

Can you define real history? How can some thing like this be verified?

he cleans toilets, his opinion doesn't matter.
>religion (i am atheist)
>country (my country was not part of the crusades)

you see? CE is just ignorant

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 21.10.2015 at 12:39

We are two different worlds, we can't coexist and will never agree. If you invade me i'll do my best to destroy you. If i ever try to harm you, promise me you will do your best to destroy me. Until then, lets stay in our regions drawn by borders and not stick our noses into each other business.

lmao

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 21.10.2015 at 15:26

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 21.10.2015 at 12:39

We are two different worlds, we can't coexist and will never agree. If you invade me i'll do my best to destroy you. If i ever try to harm you, promise me you will do your best to destroy me. Until then, lets stay in our regions drawn by borders and not stick our noses into each other business.

lmao

your goin down khal... that was some bad ass Taken like shit

Geschrieben von Tundy, 21.10.2015 at 13:39

Geschrieben von theFuehrer, 21.10.2015 at 12:40

Geschrieben von AlBoZzZ, 17.10.2015 at 21:07

You go by your relations with a religion or country, i go by the real history here

Can you define real history? How can some thing like this be verified?

he cleans toilets, his opinion doesn't matter.
>religion (i am atheist)
>country (my country was not part of the crusades)

you see? CE is just ignorant

what is your country?

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 21.10.2015 at 15:26

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Fifth time you post that picture when you reply to me, no words khal? I thought so.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.10.2015 at 13:56

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 21.10.2015 at 15:26

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Fifth time you post that picture when you reply to me, no words khal? I thought so.

lol. but dude you sound like a crazy person, you realize that right? What do you expect me to reply? More hur dur east vs west we are better no we are better? I have no beef with the East and i am not a West zealot, i judge the union and especially the US all the time, so you are barking at the wrong tree. I am as unbiased as i can be and i follow Russian and Asian posters in other sites, because they have intelligent things to say, that i can learn from. But im not gonna waste my time replying on psychotic generalising rants glorifying East and trashtalking West, sorry.

Moreso the topic was about crusades, not colonialism, im done with you taking us all wherever it suits you everytime.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 22.10.2015 at 14:06

lol. but dude you sound like a crazy person, you realize that right? What do you expect me to reply? More hur dur east vs west we are better no we are better? I have no beef with the East and i am not a West zealot, i judge the union and especially the US all the time, so you are barking at the wrong tree. I am as unbiased as i can be and i follow Russian and Asian posters in other sites, because they have intelligent things to say, that i can learn from. I even follow a muslim academic Reza Aslan, even though i am bigoted against them, because he is a brilliant scholar. But im not gonna waste my time replying on psychotic generalising rants glorifying East and trashtalking West, sorry.

Moreso the topic was about crusades, not colonialism, im done with you taking us all wherever it suits you everytime.

I like how you use words to describe me while it suits you instead

>psychotic
>said crusaders butchered people but muslims are bad
>logic

>i explain the difference between muslims/arabs/ and christians/europeans and their relations in that time
>tells how i sound crazy person




IT SOUND CRAZY TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT AND NEVER OPENED A BOOK TO SEE WHAT IT IS ABOUT THEN YOU STACKED 16 YEARS IN YOUR ASS AND DIDNT LEARN ANYTHING BUT FOUND OUT INTERNET SO YOU CAN TYPE RANDOM WORDS.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.10.2015 at 14:21

>said crusaders butchered people but muslims are bad
>logic

one does not exclude the other. if to answer this specific question we define "historically bad" as a social unit responsible for the murder, rape and destruction of people of another social unit, then yes obviously both are bad, as both are guilty by definition.

But as i said, there are tons of other variables to the equation and one is if the crusades were justified and provoked. And there is no debate that the agressors at the time were the muslims and not the crusaders. Spain, South Italy, North Africa, Egypt, Syria, Anatolia were all christian lands that muslims conquered by sword and blood (fact), just like how their religion was actually born (fact). You realise thats HALF of christianity right there. Half of European/ Western culture, stolen, lost, destroyed. And the new theory is that Muslim imperialism of the time is the major cause for Europe's dark ages.

And christians were not even the only victims of muslim agression and imperialism. Hindus were genocided, Persian zoroastrianism was literally deleted from the pages of history and Persian culture (and people) raped. They even massacred the buddhists along the silk route, which needless to say, were pacifists. Who the hell touches the buddhists, for fuck shake.

So in short, they conquered half christian lands, responsible for million of deaths, destruction of whole religions, cities and cultures, responsible for the fall of the great Byzantine empire (among other empires) and were under ongoing advances and attacks in western and southern Europe, including France and Italy and are debatably responsible for the Dark Ages themselves.

Oh gee i dont know, MAYBE THEY HAD IT FUCKING COMING.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 22.10.2015 at 14:21

>i explain the difference between muslims/arabs/ and christians/europeans and their relations in that time

yes we saw the explanations. But you forget we know for a fact about persecution and execution and slavery ( you know white woman was the most expensive slave in muslim markets?) of christians and jews, destruction of churches and synagogues ( where are your famous 7 churches of Asia mr christian bigot? why do i have to defend your faith for you pathetic coward, i am an atheist) and that all of the subjugated christian and jew population under muslims rule were dhimmi's at best, that is if they didnt get murdered or raped or tortured or all of three. And that means having all the perks of second class citizens living under sharia law. Oh thats lovely, who wouldnt want to live there, where do i sign up?

We can talk about the crimes of christianity or "the west" in another topic. This topic is specific.

As for the differences between christianity and islam, how about that christian church was reformed and it doesnt kill anymore nor does it has the power to dictate people how to live.

As for the difference between Europeans and Arabs, thats mainly that Europeans embraced a secular society and system and as a result were able to advance, something the Arabs still to this day refuse to do. Thats all. They just have a headstart of i dont know, lets say 500 years.

Lastly, if what you said earlier is true, that you prefer to live under a muslim empire, then go ahead. Why do you live in Europe and receive all the benefits that comes from being a European? You are more than welcome to move there. No? Thats what i thought.

The longer Tito argues the more ridiculous his arguments become

Geschrieben von Ghostface, 22.10.2015 at 19:24

its not the mercator projection , it appears his USSR picture somehow is bigger even tho it isnt
if you try and pull the US map is appears to be the same as the one you pulled it from http://prntscr.com/8u9hpd
but when you try and pull the USSR one it appears smaller when you pull it but larger on his signature http://prntscr.com/8u9iau
if you try and compare them US ( 10m KM2 ) is roughly half of the USSR ( 22m KM2 ) like you said
did he make his ussr signature larger or what ?

Jewish physics

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 22.10.2015 at 16:12

Such a one-sided arguments that i will simply respond with - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrein, Kuwait, UAE.

>are islamist
>richest countries on the world where people drive batmobiles

>Albania, Romania Bulgaria, Serbia European secular countries
>poor as sh*t

Hey vey didn't they make progress, they killed god didn't they? Now they atheists. So where's their money? Where's mah future, mah progress?

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 23.10.2015 at 13:23

Such a one-sided arguments that i will simply respond with - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrein, Kuwait, UAE.

You gonna bring up the world's worst dictatorships really? You defeated yourself, i dont even know why i bother. Keep in mind economic immigrants there have one of the lower standards of living, no wellfare, no security and minimum rights, life is only "good" for the few natives and maybe some westerners. Violation of rights is an everyday occurence and..whatever go read you have internet, theres tons of material.
https://www.ciaonet.org/attachments/22072/uploads

You know what all these countries have in common? They took ZERO refugees. Thats right. Its shamefull how you twist your views and sympathies in each thread.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 23.10.2015 at 13:23

>are islamist
>richest countries on the world where people drive batmobiles

Rich because oil.


Its not only about money obviously. I have posted the freedom index and the HDI index several times before where all muslim countries perform horrible, go check it.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 23.10.2015 at 13:23

>Albania, Romania Bulgaria, Serbia European secular countries
>poor as sh*t

The whole world except muslims is secular, thats not an argument. In fact the same countries you used (except Bulgaria), are highly religious. You defeated yourself again. We ve said it again, religiosity and prosperity have a negative relationship.



Same countries who are at the top are at the top on every single factor, we ve been through all this countless of times and we have provided the statistics and studies. You are becoming repetitive and boring.

Geschrieben von Khal.eesi, 23.10.2015 at 16:11

bunch of excuses

I have no nerves to read it... Now you are talking like football coach after losing a match: 'One of our player had broken toe nail, that's why he couldn't score a goal, the other broke his knee, that's why he couldn't stop the opponent, but the goal keeper was distracted by some hot chick from the masses, such unfortunate incident but it happens, he recieved a goal.''

I give you example and you find excuses. So let me just add that your beloved West have excuses - Germany was funded by America after WW2 with everything from sand to build glass to cement to build roads, iron to build tanks and paper money to give workers salary, that's why they are developed. Or you deny marshall plan? America developed? let me give you excuse - they killed indians and stole their fertile land, they stole their forests, built houses and infranstrucure, stole their mines, built factories and production lines, cars. Therefore, West is rich and developed because of stealing, not because secular.

Geschrieben von For Antioch, 23.10.2015 at 13:57

You named countries that got rich from oil. I wouldn't call that progress, it's just luck.

Most western countries have secular governments, including your beloved Russia and nations like the USA, Germany, and China that lead the world in technological development. That's what I would call progress, not happening to have an important resource.

You say my beloved Russia like that's bad to love you country. Do you hate yours?

Russia have 150 ethnic groups and 10 confessions, it is logical to be secular on state official level and not promote single religion, but fund them all.




Better question would be why nation states (like most of european countries) with one religion old 1000 years suddenly decide to be secular.

Geschrieben von Skanderbeg, 25.10.2015 at 07:57

I have no nerves to read it... Now you are talking like football coach after losing a match: 'One of our player had broken toe nail, that's why he couldn't score a goal, the other broke his knee, that's why he couldn't stop the opponent, but the goal keeper was distracted by some hot chick from the masses, such unfortunate incident but it happens, he recieved a goal.''

I give you example and you find excuses. So let me just add that your beloved West have excuses - Germany was funded by America after WW2 with everything from sand to build glass to cement to build roads, iron to build tanks and paper money to give workers salary, that's why they are developed. Or you deny marshall plan? America developed? let me give you excuse - they killed indians and stole their fertile land, they stole their forests, built houses and infranstrucure, stole their mines, built factories and production lines, cars. Therefore, West is rich and developed because of stealing, not because secular.

Since all the evidence, data and statistics in the world have zero meaning to you, like they do for the rest of the civilised world and since i conclude you must live in your house and not get out at all, i will agree with you.

Obviously Africa and Middle East is a better place to live and religion has nothing to do with the situation there. Happy? Now get all your immigrants and refugees back and we will take ours back too. Take your hundred thousand Russian immigrants too and give us back the 3 Americans and 2 Europeans that live in Russia. There, case solved.