Disallow beginners from dueling

There are many experienced players who make fake accounts, go to beginners lobby and farm duels garnering them an elo not reflective of their actual skill and sometimes a trophy they don't deserve for farming beginners who don't know better.
It is against the rules, but that is like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.


I propose restricting dueling to Rank 5-6 to prevent this blatant farming as players below this rank don't really grasp dueling and it's effect anyways.

If zoom bugging and cutting across the no go zone in Scotland and Cornwall are allowed then allow farmers.

Can we mute unicorn for spaming every single suggestion forum with his useless opinion?
On topic I agree I think dueling should be for 7+ in a anonymous lobby so people cant avoid one another.

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 09.01.2019 at 08:29

If zoom bugging and cutting across the no go zone in Scotland and Cornwall are allowed then allow farmers.

Stop crying cuz u dont know how to do it noob

Geschrieben von DDDDDDDD, 09.01.2019 at 23:59

Poor idea.

Is this genuinely a big problem? Let's say there are 10 players that do this each year. Does such a seemingly trivial problem justify banning ALL beginners from duels? Why should all innocent beginners be banned and punished to stop a minority of wrongdoers?

Duels are the best place to actually learn how to play well, they also take the shortest amount of time to fill and finish. By banning beginners you deprive them of the avenue most suited to improve their play.

There is 10 players every season so yes its a problem

Helly and Unicorn please stop derailing every thread with your personal vendettas, its really to much quote spamming and diminishes the real subject of the threads.

On topic though:
I agree with HU4Rollz on this. I was gonna comment about this a couple days ago, but HU4 perfectly worded what I was about to say. There are other alternatives to minimize this problem, but limiting the beginners is really an extreme one. I am pretty sure the moderators, especially with the amount of active ones we have at the moment, could easily track and trace those alts and ban them in time or take away their unrightfully trophies.

Like HU4 said why should the beginners pay for the pathetic actions made by some rotten apples? Its not really fair. Dueling has become a huge part of the game for the last few years, taking away that experience from beginners seems wrong in my opinion and would only create a bigger gap between beginners and ''experienced'' players.

I am pretty sure that if the playerbase of this game was bigger and the game actually had more people who 1v1ed/dueled, this would be less of a problem. Because I somehow got the feeling that the reason some people play on alts is because the "dueling community" of this game is verry smallbased and usualy contains the same people, whom some people just dont want to play against and might have numerous reasons for.

As solution I am actually reffering to Age of Empires 2 on Voobly (which is like steam) where they show the ''playercard'' just like on aw when you click on their name. However this ''playercard'' includes the name of the alt(s) and the rank/elo of it. I think, if it isnt to complicated, we could add something like this to aw too. It would show beginners that they've encountered an alt and it makes it easier to notice which players are farming.

Screenshot of what it looks like:

Note: AKA means alt in this case, and since I am not a premium member on this game, because I barely played it as you can see, it won't show to me.
Other note: and while you're at it, i'd suggest to bring back locations (games) on the playercard. Which has been suggested before and discussed about: https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=24390&board_page=3

Geschrieben von Sid, 09.01.2019 at 08:16

There are many experienced players who make fake accounts, go to beginners lobby and farm duels garnering them an elo not reflective of their actual skill and sometimes a trophy they don't deserve for farming beginners who don't know better.
It is against the rules, but that is like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.


I propose restricting dueling to Rank 5-6 to prevent this blatant farming as players below this rank don't really grasp dueling and it's effect anyways.

You don't have to make any new rank restrictions. Instead, just remove dueling from the beginners lobby. If beginners want to duel, they should only be able to do so in the main lobby. After all, elo is the game's main ranking system. It should be a system that works equally for all players, regardless of skill. Having a special place where only beginners can duel is kind of unfair, as people can easily abuse this system.

Geschrieben von DDDDDDDD, 09.01.2019 at 23:59

Poor idea.

Is this genuinely a big problem? Let's say there are 10 players that do this each year. Does such a seemingly trivial problem justify banning ALL beginners from duels? Why should all innocent beginners be banned and punished to stop a minority of wrongdoers?

Duels are the best place to actually learn how to play well, they also take the shortest amount of time to fill and finish. By banning beginners you deprive them of the avenue most suited to improve their play.

You don't have to prohibit beginners from dueling altogether. You can simply prohibit dueling in the beginners lobby only. If beginners want to duel, they should only be allowed to do so in the main lobby. This would prevent elo farming from occurring, removing the incentive for creating smurf accounts.

If we are going to restrict dueling I don't see why we should do it only for two ranks, if you're gonna restrict it, just make it everything up to rank 6 then. I do think dueling could be a main room feature and a perk to leveling up, but I also have noticed that there are non-alts who duel, so I really don't see the need to restrict it at all. I mean.. its quite obvious to tell when an alt is top of the leaderboard, we've been able to correct those issues in the past just fine

Geschrieben von Lelouch., 10.01.2019 at 09:38

Geschrieben von DDDDDDDD, 09.01.2019 at 23:59

You don't have to prohibit beginners from dueling altogether. You can simply prohibit dueling in the beginners lobby only. If beginners want to duel, they should only be allowed to do so in the main lobby. This would prevent elo farming from occurring, removing the incentive for creating smurf accounts.

Edit: This ^

I agree with this. The only thing I disagree on is the rank. R5-R6 is a low rank which can be easily reached in a matter of weeks. I was thinking something other like just not putting r0-r7 duelers in the dueling leader board at all but still let them duel, just not competitively like we do.

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 11.01.2019 at 09:44

Geschrieben von Helly, 11.01.2019 at 05:31

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 11.01.2019 at 03:35

Geschrieben von Helly, 10.01.2019 at 06:56

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 10.01.2019 at 06:43

Geschrieben von Helly, 10.01.2019 at 05:17

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 10.01.2019 at 02:34

Geschrieben von Helly, 09.01.2019 at 14:17

Geschrieben von DeepFriedUnicorn, 09.01.2019 at 12:28

Geschrieben von Helly, 09.01.2019 at 10:52

Can we mute unicorn for spaming every single suggestion forum with his useless opinion?
On topic I agree I think dueling should be for 7+ in a anonymous lobby so people cant avoid one another.

Then stop supporting such a contradicting claim.

Like seriously, how can you not see the contradiction? It's insane.

They are entirely unrelated lol

Farming is an exploit. So is hopping over Scotland with a boat and zooming in to cheat the moving system. As I said, I'm fine with natural shortcuts just not the Scotland and Cornwall one tbh, It's not natural.

You support two and don't support one.

That's a contradiction...How you can not see this, is kinda strange...

"contradiction
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noun
a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another.
"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
a situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
"the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction"
the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
"the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
synonyms: denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering, counterstatement, opposite; More"

Read the first entrance tldr

You have a opinion, which is fine. But no one agrees with you which is fact. Also the fact is your ruining other forum posts of unrelated topics hoping that if you yell loud enough you can force your changes through and that makes you a special kind of toxicity.

My opinion is fact and your one is a contradiction. I gave you the definition of the word "Contradiction", read it.

Also not really unrelated threads I'm posting it in, this one is relatable. I'm pointing out the contradiction of OP.

I don't necessarily care if the whole "Competitive" players agree with me or not, I care when the game gets big and new players see this idiotic contradiction all these high up players stand for.

Can you please read the definition of the word "Contradiction"?

Get one person to come on here and agree with you, and no a fact is when you can prove what your saying, you cant as ivan and amok never made a statement about it. But I'd say its a feature as allowing units to cross water would have to be coded in order to make war on coasts less tiresome to have. But again that's my opinion and it's as unprovable as yours. Dave could also fix this spamming of yours in three seconds by making a statement.

"Dave could also fix this spamming of yours in three seconds by making a statement."
I truly wish he did, I asked about it a while ago

In all fairness Helly how can we "get this game on steam" and "get new players" if most of the community are in denial of two exploits.

Wouldn't move my Pawn sideways, it defeats the purpose of the fun, strategy and meaning of the game. Same way I wouldn't walk through land with a boat as it defeats the purpose of the moving system and the borders/landmass in the map.

As I said, i don't necessarily care if the "Competitive" players agree with me or not. At least I'm not in denial of the problem, which you and unfortunately so many others are.

Its ignorant to call it an exploit if you simply have no evidence or context lol

It's ignorant to say it's not an exploit if you simply have no evidence or context lol...

It's ignorant to keep contradicting yourself, which you keep doing.

It's ignorant to keep saying, "Well the majority of people don't agree with you, so you're wrong"

I do have evidence btw, it's called Geography. Look at the map of Scotland and you can see no river going across it to lead to the Irish Sea, same with Cornwall...

And what? You call that "not evidence"? One of the main things that every map including the default map is based on?, Geography?, Literally the foundation of every border on every map? And you say that's not evidence?

The zooming bug doesn't take away from that units movement range but instead adds more movement to it. That's called "Abusing the movement system", "An exploit" That you can not comprehend that and say "There's no evidence for it" is ignorant.

You're probably going to reply with "Haha hehe, no one agrees with you, so that means your wrong"
Or
"Haha hehe, but this is not a "realistic" game so geography doesn't mean anything, haha hehe"

I'm not taking about realism, I don't even care if there's a tiny river or canal that you can find and you can travel your boat along, idc, fuck it I'll support that. But I don't support tip toeing your boat along land and saying it's "not a bug"

Can you look up the definition of the word "Ignorant"? I dn't think you know what the word even means.

No it ain't, I'm not making an accusation, which means I need no evidence, your making an accusation, and wish for something to change, you have the burden of proof, it's a legal term for the prosecutor to have to prove why they are right. Which you cant prove or disprove without ivan or amok saying it's a feature or a bug, because they coded the game, or without dave declaring it a bug or a feature. Without that it's a opinion, shitty one at that and you need to stop spamming the forum and suggestions that have nothing to do with it. This is a computer game, using real life geography as evidence to justify this aweful spamming is rediculous.

OMG LEARN TO FUCKING QUOTE

FFS

STOP

Geschrieben von Waffel, 11.01.2019 at 11:30

OMG LEARN TO FUCKING QUOTE

FFS

STOP

Make it easy to do on mobile lol

Geschrieben von Waffel, 11.01.2019 at 11:30

OMG LEARN TO FUCKING QUOTE

FFS

STOP

Waffel is right, this thread is so long with quotes now I have no idea what you guys are arguing about.

If you want to continue the argument, take it to PMs or chat or something. Please don't derail the thread.